There is a very old very good reason why we pasteurize milk. It seems to be forgotten. Everything is not default safe, we made it safe. But everyone with living memory of the hell before #vaccines and modern medicine and here, #food safety and sanitary #science, is dead. And #ignorance reigns.
They wish to relearn the obvious, with death and suffering for us all.
oh yeah, i've had those rectangular paper liters of milk myself. the milk tastes different. due to an ultrapasteurization process to keep the milk shelf stable? i believe, i could be wrong
eggs in europe are stored room temperature too, which is also odd for americans. but in the usa eggs are bleached and that destroys the egg's ability to resist bacteria intruding
i think it's a nice demonstration of a split on european vs american cultural attitudes
"my eggs better be damned perfect. i don't have time for bs like washing eggs. who cares if i have to store it in the fridge, i have two giant ones, like i have 2 giant cars"
vs
"a little sh** on my eggs is no big deal, we all know what end of the bird eggs come from. i just don't want to deal with the hassle of needing a big fridge, i live urban and ride a bike"
There's a huge difference in the consumption of groceries in the USA and Europe. Most Europeans had very small fridges when I lived there in the 1980s/1990s. The Germans I knew generally shopped every couple days, only for what they'd need immediately. In America, we tend to shop for 2-4 weeks, using our vast refrigerators/freezers.
Germans ate fresher foods daily, and consumed them rapidly.
that is if i bought 36 eggs in the usa, and 36 eggs in europe, my risk of illness is low even using them two weeks later, for both. i think so
i don't think it's just a matter of germans only buying a dozen eggs and using them quickly. although that makes perfect sense if they do due to their shopping habits/ historical fridge size
@benroyce
Slightly on topic! My German made fridge has an egg compartment. It only has 10 places for eggs. In the UK, we buy eggs by the dozen so I was wondering if they come in 10s in Germany?
i'd rather not go through another covid experience because some ignorant jackasses want to drink the magical elixir that is raw milk
you are correct the link has not been established
but why must we test the possibility of it becoming established, merely for the sake of alt right dingbats who already dragged us through one public health hell?
A covid experience is precisely what I am trying to avoid. There seems to be a coordinated effort to downplay the airborne nature of influenza transmission this time around. There is nothing I have seen to suggest that it is not spreading from cow to cow through the air, and equally nothing to suggest that H5N1 is suddenly viable as a foodborne/milkborne pathogen, even in cows:
This would be the first time in the history of influenza viruses that foodborne transmission occurred (whereas it is adapted to infect via airways, no matter the animal), and we would expect to see those adaptations reflected in its genome
the covid experience featured science illiterate morons helping a disease spread by not wearing masks and not getting vaccinated
and here we have a possible route of transmission of H5N1 to humans, via a loopy fad, raw milk, now beloved by the same MAGA walnut brains who helped kill so many with covid
so, no, your reticence in admitting the possible danger is embracing the covid experience, not avoiding it
Finding RNA in milk is not the same as finding viable, culture-able virus in milk. Viral RNA can be found all over the place, but culturing it is more difficult, and that's where epidemiology gets tricky and pathology needs to be excessively clarified. Blanket precaution as a layperson is one thing, but scientific statements are another
If we want to speak of what is possible, we cannot simply ignore existing science that flu is airborne
there was no evidence of anything like covid until covid happened. there was no evidence of anything like AIDS until AIDS happened. there was no evidence of anything like zika... etc
you do not speak of science when you speak with such false authority about what is not possible with quickly mutating diseases. if a possible vector exists, a little mutation out there is all it takes to win the jackpot
Humanity would be living in perfect grace, IF IT WASN’T FOR THIS EVIL PRESENCE making a mess of everything that was beautiful and perfect in a mystical past, where men were great heroes.
that and hundreds of thousands of years of "murder the dudes in the next valley over to get their resources" has given us a strong tribal identity and bias, to merely survive: power in numbers, strength through group cohesion
but how do you establish what the "right" group is?
so for that, we get all the racism, nationalism, ethnofascism, and other forms of irrational hate based on trivial superficial qualities
@benroyce@zenkat Fascism is clearly not something that happened in 1930’s Italy and got copycatted. It is simply the latest name we give to an attractor in the human psyche, a vulnerability to a hack of sorts. Enough people will submit to it for it to remain a successful way of furthering basically any political aim, as long as there is this victimhood & strength combination and a suitable enemy can be manufactured.
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