ai6yr,

LA Times: Despite H5N1 bird flu outbreaks in dairy cattle, raw milk enthusiasts are uncowed https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2024-05-12/raw-milk-enthusiasts-uncowed-by-bird-flu-risk-in-dairy

ai6yr,

"Raw milk enthusiasts are doubling down on the claimed benefits and safety of their favorite elixir, and say the government warnings are nothing more than “fearmongering.”" 🙄

ai6yr,

👀 "Mark McAfee, founder of Fresno’s Raw Farm and the Raw Milk Institute, said his phone has been ringing off the hook with “customers asking for H5N1 milk because they want immunity from it.”"

BakerRL75,
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@ai6yr I wonder if our ancestors were this brain dead…

ai6yr,

@BakerRL75 You would think this kind of stupidity would have bred itself out of the gene pool by now!

bud_t,
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@ai6yr @BakerRL75 people are insane

sepdroid,
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@ai6yr @BakerRL75

But raw milk has magical properties that made your children magical, you know before they got HUS.

WTF. Children got HUS from raw milk sold in VENDING MACHINES in Italy. I need to go learn Italian so I can yell at the government, the people who ran the vending machines, and the parents who thought this was a good idea.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27991739/

Geojoek,
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@sepdroid @ai6yr @BakerRL75

When I was in my late 20s and early 30s I got into the whole Sally Fallon/Nourishing Traditions / Weston A. Price thing. And in my 40s, I learned how a lot of those philosophies, plus the overlap with Waldorf education, came out of the 1920s-1930s eugenics movement… and then a whole bunch of things suddenly made a lot of sense about many of the people I met then, and their almost fanatical devotion to raising natural, pure, unblemished children.

ai6yr,
nikatjef,
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@ai6yr
Not advocating for it, but do remember that large parts, land wise, of the US have been drinking raw milk for decades... Just like people drank river / lake water without boiling it, until fairly recently, within the last 30 - 40 years or so.

ai6yr,
mjausson,
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@ai6yr 🤯 🥶

Jennifer,
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@mjausson @ai6yr oh FFS

harkank,
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@ai6yr
Oh boy, these people want to drink non- pasteurized milk produced by large cattle farms already struggling to keep their produce up to the rather lenient US health standards. European perspective of course. = ;)

wendinoakland,
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@ai6yr This isn’t quite how immunity works…

mem_somerville,
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@ai6yr I have lobbied for a while to get a "class action" Darwin Award category, but so far without success.

Alas.

LALegault,
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@ai6yr @VeeRat

The Venn Diagram between anti-vaxxers and raw milk enthusiasts ⭕️

CStamp,
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@LALegault @ai6yr @VeeRat Add to that the urine drinkers and injectors.

LALegault,
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@CStamp @ai6yr @VeeRat

I’m not even going to ask

ai6yr,

@LALegault @CStamp @VeeRat Camel urine or human urine? They are different species of the same animal, you know 🤪

samhainnight,
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@ai6yr Louis Pasteur would like a word...

Jennifer,
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@ai6yr I spent time on farms when I was a kid. I remember them being kinda dirty. The idea of drinking raw milk from some rando's questionable farm when there's a way to make milk totally safe is just sooooo stupid and gross

Legit_Spaghetti,
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@ai6yr If you squint REALLY hard, you can sort of trace the lineage of this particular dumb idea.

The word "vaccination" originally traces back to milkmaids who'd catch cow pox, which is a mild disease in humans (relatively speaking), and develop immunity to smallpox, which is a deadly disease. "Variolae Vaccinae" is Latin for "cow pustules," hence "vaccination."

However, cases where humans have contracted H5N1 have thus far been anything but mild, so I think these folks are playing with fire.

samiamsam,
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@Legit_Spaghetti @ai6yr covid put to bed the old adage 'avoid it like the plague'

and here we are again

CaramelizedShallots,
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@ai6yr I don’t think raw milk is a good idea-for food borne illness reasons-but I have yet to be convinced that raw milk is a vector for transmission of H5n1. Is there data that it is? (I don’t have access to the LA times article)

ai6yr,
CaramelizedShallots,
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@ai6yr I had read this when it came out, but wasn't convinced. I wondered how they controlled for cats getting from airborne transmission by being near the sick cows. But putting it together with another story that cats became sick from H5N1 contaminated raw cat food, I am changing my mind on this question, for sure.

https://www.petfoodindustry.com/safety-quality/pet-food-safety/article/15663068/38-cats-died-after-eating-birdflutainted-cat-food-in-2023#:~:text=Considering%20the%20South%20Korean%20outbreak,disease%20to%20spread%20to%20humans

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