How can we smooth out the migration and help promote kbin/lemmy to subreddits and redditors?
I think the biggest thing we need to figure out is how to make it sound easier than people say it is. People get too hung up on the technicalities of how the fediverse works, and they never try it out and see that it isn't as confusing as it sounds. If we could write up a simple blurb to help promote kbin to subreddit moderators and people around reddit, I think that could really help
When I first considered leaving the bird site, I had all the same concerns many others did. But it meant more to me to have some principals, so I tried Mastodon and very quickly found that I was seeing FAR more content that interested me and virtually none that I didn't. I was a fool to wait so long. And this is what I'm telling people I know who are concerned about where Reddit is going. You'll get used to the new site, just like you got used to Reddit. Do what's right, rather than what's laziest.
what I really wanted was to use the same username/fediverse email to login on every fedi-stuff. sometimes subs are outdated here and I wanted to see the updated version and comment without creating a new account - thing I will never do and always be loyal to this website.
Things are outdated here because of issues related to the high load the server is under, which is inhibiting communication with external servers. When everything is working correctly, you'll be able to see and reply to the latest content here without needing to visit those external sites "manually".
The way things are working currently isn't the target; you won't need those extra accounts in future.
So, if kbin goes down are we still able to access other things like mastodon, lemmy etc, or is our login tied to this instance?
And if the instance owner of kbin gets over it one day and turns it off, is it possible to migrate our profiles/accounts to a different server or is all of our posts/magazine subs etc gone forever?
Sorry if these are stupid questions, im still trying to get my head around the whole federated/decentralised thing with this.
Overall im loving it here and have managed to replace most of my main subreddits with magazines here, so im welcoming and looking forward to the change to be honest.
Your @titaniumfish account is unique to kbin, you can't directly use it elsewhere, so if kbin goes down, you're SOL, BUT, you can always open those other sites up directly and anonymously navigate around.
The federation will allow you to view other federated content through kbin, but, it wouldn't be directly useable without kbin.
WIth Mastadon, you can move your account (well, it's closer to linking it to another one ... I think), but I believe it needs the original server to be online, so, I assume it'll be possible here as well, to at least the same degree, at some point.
On the fediverse, your login only works on the server you signed up on, so it won't be useful elsewhere to login. But you can access the posts and whatnot from other places here. For mastodon, we can access it to some extent from kbin, or you could sign up there as well. I have a Calckey account (similar to Mastodon), a kbin account and a Pixelfed account (IG) because I like some compartmentalization.
Migration from this instance to another isn't possible yet, but is in the works. It already exists with Mastodon/Calckey.
No stupid questions! We all had to learn at some point! I don't know if this will be helpful, but a very short video on the Fediverse.
Your login is tied to this instance, so if kbin.social goes the way of the dodo all your posts etc will be deleted alongside it, as well as all the magazines that are hosted on kbin.social.
However, kbin.social being turned off will have no impact on e.g. lemmy.world, so all the communities on lemmy.world will still exist.
For me personally I've got separate lemmy.world and kbin.social accounts, even though you can see communities and posts from lemmy.world (and other instances) on kbin.social and vice versa. I'll probably end up having similar follows on both accounts.
Unlike Mastodon there's no way to migrate accounts (yet!) but the site is still in early dev - lots of people have been talking about it so I'm sure it's something that'll be looked at in the future.
As a shower thought, it'd be nice if there was an app or client that lets you log in to as many instances across Lemmy/Kbin/Others as you want so if you received a notification from e.g. Kbin you could reply using your Kbin profile. May be swinging dangerously close to centralisation for some people though.
Some people who are still on Reddit likely don’t understand what’s going on (or care) so they’re not going to leave. And throw in tech jargon? It’s a lost cause.
But those who would be interested in an alternative, I would just say it’s like a bunch of little reddits that can talk to each other.
It would help me to have a list of all available magazines so I could quickly subscribe to the ones I'm interested in. I suspect that doesn't exist due to the quantity of instances I've learned about.
In the same spirit, one to one mapping guide of subreddit to magazine(s) would be nice, too.
A live-ish list of magazines would be so helpful, maybe even roughly grouped by interest. For some of my smaller hobbies, I’m not sure if I can’t find content because I’m looking in the wrong places/using the wrong search terms, or because nobody else is posting here about it. Also, what’s the approximate average daily user ratio for kbin to Reddit?
I’m not sure if I can’t find content because I’m looking in the wrong places/using the wrong search terms, or because nobody else is posting here about it.
Yeahhh, that might be hit or miss until we have enough magazines to warrant grouping them by category, or at the very least linking them together in sub descriptions.
I'd been babied by word of mouth and those "users subbed to this are also subbed to these" 3rd party tools that I'd forgotten how unhelpful searching for them could really be.
r/AbandonedPorn (one of my favorites) was not about porn that has been abandoned, it was urban photography. In the same vein, imagine my disappointment when I finally realized m/tardigrades here was not, in fact, about actual tardigrades, but was a humorously retitled r/hydrohomies.
I'm not sure how I ever found anything on reddit except by luck and attrition, and some sort of system would be very time-consuming but very helpful.
Go to the "Kbin" hamburger menu up top, go to the gear icon, and turn on the top bar. From there you can list them all or search, view All or your subscribed magazines, etc.
I think for many, a stumbling block would be which instance to join.
There should (a) be a list of instances that are reliably neutral in their agenda and (b) it should be clearly communicated that as long as the instance ticks a few boxes (shared language; no egregious agenda; can handle more users) it doesn't matter which instance you create an account with; you'll still be able to access all of the content out there in the fediverse*
It's like if you mostly hang out in one particular subreddit, that doesn't prevent you from visiting other ones.
*this is not completely true, technically. But true enough?
So most people just want a front page with stuff. Granted I know Kbin is currently not displaying Lemmy stuff, but when it does if people just go to Kbin and see all the activity from everywhere that's good enough for most people.
But what needs to happen either at Kbin level or Lemmy level is each "sub"/"mag" needs to show all other fediverses' too. Otherwise it's just fragmented.
When all that is set up, just link people too kbin or beehaw and people would none the wiser
I think this is spot on. Once we have a "multireddit" feature combining sub/mag's across the fediverse the fragmented communities will suddenly grow substantially.
Explaining how to subscribe to magazines from difference instances would help. I originally joined another instance but it was mostly in another language and I couldn't figure out how to subscribe to magazines in this instance, so I joined this one.
kbin.social's federation is a bit broken right now, so interacting with other instances isn't quite 100% working. that's why you couldn't find this instance's posts over there.
I'm slowly figuring things out as I go, although I still haven't figured out how to find a couple of the places I frequented that I've seen on other fediverse sites (lemmy)
The big appeal to me for kbin is that on the surface it works exactly like reddit. Don't even say the word "federation" lol, for many people it's an instant turn-off. Thinking of kbin as kbin for me works.
My understanding is it makes it so the website's server aren't all owned by a single company. Like anyone can start up their own server with their own users, those users can interact with any other server's users like they were on that server.
@lurkeymclerkface@Xathonn Federation means that servers are independent, but they work together. It's like with emails: your provider (ex: Gmail) can still communicate with other servers (ex: Outlook or Yahoo or iCloud, etc)
Anyone can start a new Kbin or Lemmy or Mastodon server if they don't like the existing ones, and people are still able to talk with each others on other servers.
Thank you for the explanation. So under that example are you saying right now we are all on "gmail" without the ability to email "yahoo" until the federation is enabled?
That's correct. Imagine we're all on gmail and emailing other gmail accounts. but emailing to yahoo isn't working right now, but theoretically should and will in the future once things calm down (and federation is fixed/enabled).
Imagine you have a bunch of reddit.com clones. Each have their own users, subreddits, etc. "Federation" is basically saying "hey reddit1.com can read posts from reddit2.com and vice versa!". However, it's not always that clean, stuff may end up not showing on one or the other, not all services are "federated", etc. It's a confusing concept and trying to pitch it as the selling point IMO is just odd.
If you hover over people's usernames, you'll see they're like @otome@kbin.social, that @kbin.social will sometimes be different, like @mastodon.social. That shows which website they're using to post. For instance I can see you're using kbin.social like I am.
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