What do you NOT want to see replicated on kbin?

Or the fediverse in general.

I wanted to ask everyone their personal least favorite communities on reddit.

Whic subreddits do you absolutely not (personally of course) want to see recreated as magazines here on kbin, or as fediverse communities in general?

My pet peeve is CMV. I always felt while the idea seemed doable on the surface, the implementation within that particular subreddit with the delta system, the requirement for the top level comments to oppose the OP even if the "view" is an established expert consensus on something like climate change made it impossible to have meaningful conversations.

I haven't checked if we have a CMV magazine here, but as soon as I see one, I know I'm blocking it.

What is your "instant block" community?

ScrumblesPAbernathy,

I wasn't ever a fan of UnpopularOpinions. It seemed like a license to say horrible shit and then feel good about the upvotes but people just upvoted because the opinion was awful.

CynAq,
CynAq avatar

Agreed.

It's kinda similar to what I dislike about CMV but blatant. I think CMV created this whitewashing effect on horrible opinions by presenting them as a discussion against them, while giving them a megaphone into the mainstream.

UnpopularOpinions is similar but a bit more honest, I guess, lol!

Bluskale,
Bluskale avatar

I don’t think it was all that bad… actually there were some pretty good discussions in there. That said I don’t think everyone engaged in good faith, and sometimes you’d get things like “CMV: women should have basic human rights (Delta(s) from OP)”.

Alto,
Alto avatar

It was one of those that started out as legitimately pretty good but was ruined when it got big. Almost as if there's a pattern here...

soratoyuki,

Agreed but for the opposite reason lol. Whenever I see UnpopularOpinions on All it's always very popular opinions being upvoted.

can,

/ r/The10thDentist was better

50gp,

less likely for that to happen if theres no reason to karma farm

llama,
@llama@midwest.social avatar

The idea of a network of related subreddits like EarthPorn,CityPorn,etc. If you want to control a bunch of communities on an instance then you might as well just start your own instance.

soratoyuki,

Pretty much all of the ironic "oh we're just pretending to be bad people lololol" ironic circlejerk subreddits. Best case scenario, they eventually attract people that don't recognize it's ironic, worst case the mask just falls off. PCM is probably the worst of the bunch. Writing fake tweets to mischaracterize political opinions you don't like is just such a bizarre hobby.

00,
00 avatar

PCM in parts just became "women bad" for younger people lol

Guru_of_Spores,

Please excuse my ignorance, what's PCM?

00,
00 avatar

No worries! It stands for PoliticalCompassMemes. The political compass is a simple (but wrong, if we deep dive into it) model of representing political positions in the current political sphere in mostly US/western politics. People started a meme subreddit about it and it quickly turned rather right wing with memes that devolved to "Ugly woman is left-wing and bad, Chad man is right-wing and good" lol

QuestioningEspecialy,
QuestioningEspecialy avatar

Unless I'm thinking of a different sub, I never noticed that about it. Granted, I've only seen a handful of posts on the front page and browsed it a few times recently.

Guru_of_Spores,

Thanks for the clarification!

RyanHakurei,
RyanHakurei avatar

Political Compass Memes and he's bsing lol. Ironic people bash the hardest on one of the few non-toxic subs where you could at least have a little fun.

blubberman,

Yep have to agree PCM can be pretty funny and most of the people there understand that many of the worst takes and straw mans are jokes

meldroc,

Also, "ironic" use of fascist and Nazi tropes, like naming a subreddit "r/pcmasterrace". Yeeeeaaaaah, no.

Osvaldoilustrador,
Osvaldoilustrador avatar

I wouldn't like to see hateful and bigotry speech here of any kind

BasicWhiteGirl,
BasicWhiteGirl avatar

Not to sound like a prude, but porn.

There's no shortage of it and most places have it in some way.

It'd be awesome to be a classier/more serious version of Reddit.

IncognitoErgoSum,

This sounds like something the fediverse should be able to solve easily. For people who don't want to be anywhere near porn, you can start a fediverse site and just not aggregate porn, and then like-minded people can go there, and nobody has to be cut off from everybody else just because of differences of opinion about porn.

ShadowRunner,

It'd be awesome to be a classier/more serious version of Reddit.

Those things are not mutually exclusive. You can have higher standards for the serious subs we host as well as having porn related subs as well.

Just subscribe to the ones you want and ignore the others.

peereboominc,

Memes in general. Some are probably funny but I have not seen those yet. Most are low effort or done by a 14 year old. Maybe I'm just getting to old..

AlteredStateBlob,
AlteredStateBlob avatar

In addition to what others have said: The endless, constant, relentless OnlyFans self promotion. I don't mind NSFW, I don't mind porn. But by god I lost brain cells each time I read

"I AM SUCH A YOUNG SLUT, OH WOE IS ME, WHERE ARE ALL THE OLDER MEN WHO WOULD WANT ME!?!?!?!?!?"
"COMMENT YOUR AGE IF YOU'D HAVE ME <3"

fixing exclusively to find people with money to reel in. Good lord... I get it, we all have to earn a living and darn if I were a pretty woman in this day and age, I might go down that same route. Yet... Can't stand it anymore. Same goes for the people engaging with such posts.

Bloonface,
Bloonface avatar

OnlyFans in general is a complete fucking racket. Most "creators", who are young and often vulnerable people, make nothing or next to nothing from subs, even while taking on risks they may not know about or be able to mitigate them if they do know about them.

The world would actually be better without it.

geoffervescent,
geoffervescent avatar

I was told that OnlyFans was started by the mods in some of the NSFW subreddits who used their position of power to recruit the early adopters from the highest upvoted posts in their subs.

RyanHakurei,
RyanHakurei avatar

Nah whoever told that was bsing you, It was started by Tim Stokely a British businessman.

PabloDiscobar,
PabloDiscobar avatar

Subs celebrating the number of subscribers. Because too many subscribers will ruin your sub. An audience which is too large will attract the wrong kind of content, just like a position of power will attract primadona.

I remember banning funny, adviceanimals, just because of the numbers alone. Also national subs like France or Italy, because it was the lease interesting content of all.

Polarsailor,

American politics seeping into every damn thing. And to top it off, with a clear bias in one direction. I resent having the feeling like there's an astro-turfing effort going on, even when I agree with whatever stance is being pushed. Reddit is really tainted with that sort of thing.

Hopefully it doesn't take hold here, or at least stays contained so I can decline subbing to magazines that would pertain. I'd rather not have to swim in the "political party A is evil and political party B is angelic" muck in unrelated magazines.

RyanHakurei,
RyanHakurei avatar

Funny thing on Reddit there quite literally was an astroturfing campaign paid for by CTR/Shareblue. That's why r/politics turned into the toxic cesspit it remains today.

Dick_Justice, (edited )
@Dick_Justice@lemmy.world avatar

That's hard to avoid on such a huge site where something like 50ish percent of the userbase is American. I totally agree with you though - it's super irratating to be on a sub, talking about friggin Spider-man's webfluid or something, and some dumbass in the comments has to relate the debate back to some American Republican talking points or something.

QuestioningEspecialy,
QuestioningEspecialy avatar

it's super irratating to be on a sub, talking about friggin Spiderman's webfluid or something

Having recently watched the latest Spiderman movie, wut?

Dick_Justice,
@Dick_Justice@lemmy.world avatar

I'm just making up a throwaway example. Once upon a time there was a debate about whether Spidey's webfluid should be organic or if he should have webshooters. I'm personally in the webshooter camp - it's one of the great examples we get of Peter being a genius who was so smart he could invent something so spectacular at such a young age with limited resources and no help. I really hated the organic idea. I thought it dumbed Pete down and was contradictory to the established character. And, I'm just saying, those kinds of discussions are the worst place to run into some idiot that can't help but interject their personal politics, or mention their favorite candidates/pols for no reason. I always thought it must be just exhausting to be so totally consumed with poitics that you have to try to bring it up in every conversation, no matter how much of a non sequitur it ends up being.

QuestioningEspecialy,
QuestioningEspecialy avatar

And, I'm just saying, those kinds of discussions are the worst place to run into some idiot that can't help but interject their personal politics, or mention their favorite candidates/pols for no reason.

Oh~ yeah, that sounds annoying af.

CynAq,
CynAq avatar

Also...

Organic spideyfluid would be A-OK if he shot it out of his ass! Shooting it out of wrists doesn't make any goddam sense!

trash,
trash avatar

Much like Brown Widow from Ventrue Bros.

NotTheOnlyGamer,
NotTheOnlyGamer avatar

Ventrue Bros. sounds like an awesome Vampire chronicle.

JuliusBananaPepperwood,

This is the VtM campaign I didn't know I needed.

Bloonface,
Bloonface avatar

If Spiderman shot webs out of his arsehole I might actually go and see one of those dumb films for a change

QuestioningEspecialy,
QuestioningEspecialy avatar

Well... a cat spits out a web ball in the latest Spiderman... does that work?

MermaidsGarden,

I find your lack of respect for the hyphen in Spider-Man disturbing

NotTheOnlyGamer,
NotTheOnlyGamer avatar

Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Spiderman is Tatsuya Yamashiro.

Dick_Justice,
@Dick_Justice@lemmy.world avatar

Oh no, I broke rule number one!!! Damn you to hell, autocorrect!!

Jojo-Mcfrost572,
Jojo-Mcfrost572 avatar

I said this the other day. Post on Reddit about English something. First comments were about american culture. Had to scroll until I found opinions from the UK.

Everything becomes murica. It's infuriating. I get reddit is basically America and it's a large population but so is India or China or Africa. Doesn't just need to be America all the time.

Bloonface,
Bloonface avatar

That's not just a Reddit thing, it's an Internet thing.

Americans absolutely dominate the English-speaking Internet.

But then the population of the US is greater than the population of Australia, the UK, New Zealand and Canada combined, twice over.

hydra,

They were also the origin of the Internet. It is frustrating for me as a Latin American discuss about tech and being told by Americans to just buy cheap refurbished tech from eBay, Microcenter or something. The access to markets isn't remotely the same.

RubberStuntBaby,

Murka murka murka, murka?

cyberian_khatru,
cyberian_khatru avatar

Reposts like this one

CynAq,
CynAq avatar

I checked the first five pages of threads on this mag before posting. If there was a thread there, I wouldn't post it.

Also if we're being like that, your answer doesn't fit the thread. I'm asking about communities. Since when are reposts communities?

Beardedsausag3,
Beardedsausag3 avatar

You read the title, skipped the post entirely and submitted an irrelevant comment to this discussion.

Why not use this honeymoon period of changing how you interact with social forums in a more positive manner?

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    Balssh,
    Balssh avatar

    This shall ameliorate once people start tagging NSFW properly and once people are banned for not respecting it I thing.

    NOOBMASTER,

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    CynAq,
    CynAq avatar

    Are you sure you aren't confusing the fact that communities from federated instances outside of kbin showing up as created by @ernest here on kbin, with him creating them?

    NOOBMASTER,

    Are you telling me he didn't create them? Only enabled them to be seen via kbin?

    CynAq,
    CynAq avatar

    kbin by default pulls data from any instance kbin users subscribe to. It's called "federation". Unless he manually blocks an instance completely, which is called "defederating", the communities will show up here on kbin. When a community on an instance outside of kbin gets pulled here, a copy of it is created which syncs with the original on the instance hosting it, and those copies show as created by the site admin, who's @ernest.

    So, he didn't enable them manually, nor did he create them. His site kbin, pulls data and creates copies of federated communities automatically, and due to the quirks of how federation works, they appear under his name.

    NOOBMASTER,

    It's so complicated! Thanks for clearing it up for me.

    CynAq,
    CynAq avatar

    No problem, happy to help!

    Also, it's not as difficult to get used to as it looks at first. There's quite a bit of concepts to learn, but it's definitely not endless. In a week or so, especially if you keep engaging and asking questions, you'll run out of things to learn about the mechanics of the "fediverse".

    iByteABit,

    This, so much. I don't mind porn but I do mind it popping up unexpectedly while browsing all instances in public. There's so much of it relative to other content that it feels like Lemmy is just used as a porn repository at the moment, I need to find more magazines to sub to

    HighJudge,

    Politics... Any politics. I like news to be informed. But those subreddits became echo chambers and spewed hate one direction or another.

    MeowKittyWow,
    MeowKittyWow avatar

    I hear you, but politics are literally unavoidable. Also, for some of us, especially members of minority groups conservatives have it out for right now, literally just existing openly in a space will sometimes have folks crying politics.

    HighJudge,

    I understand the freedom and acceptance that you're wanting. And I think having those communities to help causes are important. So like was mentioned above, maybe the answer is not cutting it off, but fostering civil discourse to keep the hatred out for one side or another?

    I guess the root of the problem is demonizing. For instance, I would caution against what you consider "conservative" and who is really coming after your rights. That mentality again, is supporting the belief that each side is morally monochromatic. If you want to substitute that with the Republican Party, I dont think that's inaccurate. But there are many who hold "conservative" views fiscally or in other areas that have no issue with supporting minority rights and actively champion those causes.

    In my opinion, the greatest lie that the powers-that-be have performed this century, is that one side has all the right answers and you have to be on one side of the fence or the other. I dont think either political party are working for the benefit of their constituents and I think we as a people need to come together to find real solutions, instead of being fed our opinions by those political machines and blindly joining their ranks. There aren't 2 sides to any issue, nor are there only 2 options for solutions. There are always more to be considered.

    MeowKittyWow,
    MeowKittyWow avatar

    I think replying to every single point you made would be way off topic, so I'm not going to.

    What I will respond to is your very first comment. The far right, worldwide (not just republicans) is practically frothing at the mouth about trans people lately. Their rhetoric is borderline genocidal, with open calls to "exterminate transgenderism". No civil discussion can be had when one of the sides is literally out for blood.

    There are many issues that you can take many perfectly reasonable differing opinions on, and have a civil discussion over, but this isn't one of them.

    ShadowRunner,

    I understand what you're saying. However, echo chambers aside, I found reddit very useful for political discourse. Even for subjects that had a hive mind response, there were often a few comments that presented the other side in a very well thought out way, with details and citations which would give some folks a reason to rethink their knee-jerk response.

    In addition, one of the biggest problems in the US is that lack of political engagement by younger folks. So having those news articles and discussions on a popular forum gives them that visibility into the world of governance and allows them to both develop a desire to vote for change as well as having better knowledge of the issues and how different political figures have acted and what they really stand for.

    So I welcome that discourse and having political subs.

    HighJudge,

    This is a great point and a great thought. Having political discourses is important and accepting opinions from all angles without getting agitated.

    What I saw in the all of the political subreddits were largely conformation to one side of an argument or another without real exchange, and if there ever was a contrary opinion, most of which were hateful themselves, and if they weren't, they were downvoted or banned.

    Tin foil hat on for a second, I think this is due to how society is, as was mentioned above, and I think it's also somewhat led by various political groups to get to a hateful conclusion to galvanize supporters on such a big platform.

    Politics in general has devolved into one-dimensional hate-slinging and I guess, I miss when Reddit was first starting out and there were more of those conversations, without the anger behind them. If we can't have civil discourse in our communities, and opinions are only presented as wholly-good or wholly evil, is there benefit to having those conversations?

    These are tough questions. Like I said, you make excellent points, and maybe the answer isn't cut it all off. But I can't think of a way to foster the type of community you describe in our society without heavy moderation against anger and hate.

    ShadowRunner,

    You're absolutely right that a good politics sub (I don't think I'll ever get used to the term "magazine", but "sub" is nicely generic) requires good moderation.

    But if kbin largely consists of reddit's most active users and moderators - the ones who care about the community as well as principles and values, then I think we have an excellent start.

    holo_nexus,
    holo_nexus avatar

    There was a definite change in the way discourse was had in r/politics, r/news, among others over the years. But I would say that’s just a societal thing as of late.

    Unfortunately, I do believe it’ll happen here eventually.

    RyanHakurei,
    RyanHakurei avatar

    There was a definite change in the way discourse was had in r/politics, r/news

    There was a huge astroturfing campaign carried out by CTR/ShareBlue during the 2016 US election cycle. Someone even exposed this and was permabanned like 2 days later.

    Dick_Justice,
    @Dick_Justice@lemmy.world avatar

    I know some people enjoy them, but I personally tended to insta-block all the creative writing communities. Things like talesfromyourserver (all the talesfrom subs, to be honest), maliciouscompliance, prorevenge, etc. I find the majority of those types of subs to be toploaded with absolute bullshit. THe kinds of things where people have some kind of conflict they didn't deal well with in real life, and now they had a place to type out their wishful fantasies that make them seem clever and tough and quick witted, but in reality they formulated it all while laying in bed fuming about what actually happened.

    I also had a love/hate relationship with AmItheAsshole/devil/jerk etc, and subs like r/relationshipadvice. I've long suspected that there's a loooot of posts on those types of subs that I suspect are not only fake stories, but are outright designed to trigger outrage reactions towards specific (often marginalized) groups. Like stories that are specifically crafted to make a woman look bad/evil/stupid for example. Just dog whistling, and purposely being divisive.

    sneakyninjapants,

    I definitely get this sentiment, but as far as creative writing I really enjoyed good /writingprompts. Especially some of the better comments creating and expanding on the story in new and interesting ways. Hopefully something like that will be replicated here, though I'm no writer so definitely won't be leading the charge there.

    Helldiver_M,
    Helldiver_M avatar

    You sumarize my thoughts as well. Honorable mention to/r/BestofRedditorUpdates. Sometimes there was a nice/wholesome story in there, but most of it was nightmare fuel and a lot of it probably creative writing.

    I could binge that sub just because seeing how the updates unfolded was super interesting some of the time. But it also had me feeling pretty negative, given how there were commonly toxic characters in the stories. I won't be rushing to recreate that scene here on the Fediverse.

    embecile,

    BORU also had wayyyyy too many karma farming duplicate content posts. And their 1-year post rule just encouraged people to go back 1 year and then copy and paste posts with a lot of upvotes just to farm more karma.

    It was good to have updates and stories consolidated in one place, I know. It just enabled too much repetitive copying and pasting due to the karma it provided.

    Ni,
    Ni avatar

    I think in many ways the repetition of posts and worse replies. I know there was a bit of a hive mind going on, and in some ways it could be funny and a force for good, but I'm enjoying not reading the same set top comments to things!

    Kara,
    Kara avatar

    I hope to never hear "I also choose this guy's dead wife" unironically again

    Ni,
    Ni avatar

    Hah, yeah I've got to wonder how many times I read that. Someone else reminded me of the amount of times I'd read red flag on reddit as well. Hopefully we can build a whole new community here, a fresh start!

    parrot-party,
    parrot-party avatar

    I don't think I've heard the dead guy version but I have heard the "I choose this guy's wife" already.

    kronicmage,

    Google en passant

    Holy hell

    New response just dropped

    Actual zombie

    Holy hell

    Holy hell

    Holy hell

    Holy hell

    ... every single time

    Wiiplay123,
    Wiiplay123 avatar

    Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!

    embecile,

    Even when there’s a specific prompt to send a private thank you message that gets sent to you via PM when you get the message telling you someone gilded you…it’s like nope, gotta make an edit instead!

    alokir,

    Edit: wow, 100 upvotes?

    Edit2: thanks for the gold kind stranger

    Edit3: wow, 2k upvotes, what's happening

    Edit4: my most upvoted comment is about my leg hair

    Rohbtc,

    Powermods automatically banning users based on where they post / comment.

    RyanHakurei,
    RyanHakurei avatar

    This is partially covered here by public modlogs. The previous Reddit Powermods at least won't touch Kbin with this in place; Bardfinn even tried to claim public modlogs would violate the ADA. That's not to say other powermods who don't care about the public logs wouldn't come into play.

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