Hypx,
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BEVs are functionally unfixable if the battery dies. The cost of battery replacement exceeds the cost of the car itself. As a result, they are going to lead a huge shortfall in available transportation options for the lower class. In reality, BEVs are toys for the rich. They are not serious transportation ideas.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/02/bmw-i3-owners-asked-to-pay-over-30k-for-battery-replacement-and-one-gets-quoted-71k/

kudra,
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@Hypx I am a relatively poor person in Australia, but I've been into electric bicycles and following BEV developments for years, and while I'm poor I'm still reasonably good at saving money. I imported a second hand 10yo EV from Japan. The battery it came with still had years of life in it, but I upgraded for range and will use the old battery in an offgrid home system. Overall my investment beyond the cost of an equivalent ICE vehicle will pay itself back in about 5 years, and beyond then I'm continuing to benefit from massively cheaper "fuel" and the vehicle will likely last another decade and beyond (an Aussie owned Tesla recently broke 700,000km, with a battery swap at 666,666km).

A brand new BEV from a different Japanese auto co is slated for this year with a brand new battery, which will be about 2/3 the cost of my 10yo BEV + upgraded battery. I'm considering upgrading to that.

Keep trying to tell people BEVs are not for poor people... I'm proof that is absolutely not true.

Hypx,
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@kudra You can stop trying to gaslight the rest of us.

kudra,
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@Hypx which part(s) of the above do you claim are gaslighting? Are you saying I can't possibly be poor simply because I own a BEV? In global terms, sure, but compared to the average Australian, I'm in the bottom quarter.

Hypx,
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@kudra You're very likely in the global top 1-5% in terms of wealth.

kudra,
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@Hypx correct. Anyone below that isn't in the market for a hydrogen car either you know.

Hypx,
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@kudra But they will be. A hydrogen car is no more resource intensive than an ICE car. It also won't have batteries that cost more than the car to replace.

If people were honest, they'd start pushing hydrogen cars as earnestly as they push BEVs.

kudra,
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@Hypx no, they probably won't. The chemists who work in this area absolutely disagree. Hydrogen may yet have breakthroughs, and in that case, I'll definitely be promoting them. But not at this stage. The new tech that Toyota recently unveiled where you just fill the car with water and the hydrogen is created onboard is may have potential, for example. It reminds me a bit of the Delorean powered by garbage in Back To The Future, haha. But the way hydrogen cars work currently, they are not cheaper, and they are nowhere near as practical as a BEV you can charge at home. You can get a BEV and be completely fairly independent even in a country without infrastructure, which is why Ethiopia has already banned import of ICE vehicles. Hydrogen vehicle tech and infrastructure as it is currently will continue to have the same (& worse) issues as ICE tech & infrastructure.

Hypx,
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@kudra That's more gaslighting. Chemists do not "absolutely disagree."

FCEVs will get cheaper as they scale up in production. People attacking them are just repeating similar arguments made against wind and solar energy. Even BEVs got the same treatment. It's all BS and history will repeat itself again.

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