Vision Pro

rysiek,
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

I guess my current policy on #VisionPro is that anyone bragging (humble, or otherwise) about owning one, wearing one, or generally promoting it in any way is very likely to get an insta-block from me.

Personally, I don't find it funny enough to ridicule it. Even though as @parismarx notes, it really deserves to be ridiculed!
https://disconnect.blog/apples-vision-pro-headset-deserves/

I will, of course, gladly accept other people's ridicule of it. Like this remarkably thoughtful take by @karafuto:
https://mstdn.social/@karafuto@mas.to/110497342663574555

rysiek,
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

This glasshole bullcrap needs to become as onerous and shunned as cryptocurrency crap has become.

Because on some level it's the same shit. It's selling people hype. And once you bought hype, you try to sell it to the next person, to prove to yourself it was worth it, to fight the hype-buyer's remorse.

The difference is that in this case it's a multinational corporation who is benefitting, not some randos with monkey avatars. :blobcatfingerguns:

rysiek,
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

inb4 "but it's an interesting piece of technology! might be used for great things!"

Are you talking about cryptocurrencies/NFTs, or the ? Because both are technologically nifty, sure, but at the same time the hype around them is just so unbearably dank.

The magical hypothetical use-cases remain hypothetical, while the dank hype flood is quite real, and someone is making loads money off of it.

Come back when something actually, truly, interesting comes out of it. :blobcatcoffee:

charliemchapman,
@charliemchapman@mastodon.social avatar

Ok so these Personas on are definitely… uh… disconcerting but the amount of expressiveness they capture is legitimately impressive

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MuseumShuffle,
@MuseumShuffle@mastodon.social avatar

@charliemchapman with the background and the noise I feel like I’m watching a version of you that’s trapped in the phantom zone.

charliemchapman,
@charliemchapman@mastodon.social avatar

@jordibruin Alright, @jordibruin gave me a sneak preview of his Persona Studio app.

So here's a much better look at the updated 1.1 personas! 👀

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danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

The biggest thing I see folks getting wrong about #VisionPro is to imagine that it's just a great volume for placing two dimensional surfaces.

And that's like imagining television as a way for seeing the people who read your radio plays.

I mean, sure, you can do it, but you're barely using the power of the new medium.

The real opportunity is that Vision Pro is a holographic simulator that allows developer code to reason about the user’s 3D reality.

Integrating that opportunity is the work.

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

I mean, check out this visionOS plane detection demo someone backed up into their github (Apple's went missing)

Planes are detected by ARKit, marked with colored overlays, and labeled

This gives you an idea of just how much surface is available to the developer for positioning content in ways that support spatial reasoning in a familiar environment. We've never been able to build software that interacts like this before.

https://github.com/shu223/visionOS-Sampler/tree/main/02_ARKitPlacingContent

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supaspoida,
@supaspoida@ruby.social avatar

@danilo I feel like this gets really interesting when you start designing the physical space/interfaces to interact with this. Like a midi controller with all blank controls that you can project different interfaces on when toggling between modes.

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

So what is it Apple is trying to accomplish with ?

What's the underlying experience that only this technology can deliver?

It’s nothing short of science fiction. But the reality will be more challenging to pull off. v1 products are tough.

https://redeem-tomorrow.com/no-hate-no-hype-apples-vision-for-spatial-computing

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

Nilay Patel's review of confirms the above argument with the succinct:

“Magic until it's not."

Success for developers in the v1 phase is all about experiences that are only possible in its confines, and can't happen anywhere else. Making the most of the time we get. What can you accomplish with 45 minutes?

https://www.theverge.com/24054862/apple-vision-pro-review-vr-ar-headset-features-price

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

Meanwhile, Joanna Stern answers one of my backseat curiosities about :

Is it good for cooking?

Actually: it is?

https://archive.is/Ck29F

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

Absolutely wild to see the threads of social antipathy coalescing in the anti- column:

  • The seething hatred of Apple, which dates to computing antiquity.

  • The malaise and disdain reserved for all things emanating from Silicon Valley, generally.

  • An inability to imagine a future, or to imagine that change will be positive in any way.

  • An attachment to the status quo of computing at the point where it gave the opinion-holder their greatest sense of power

paulca,
@paulca@mastodon.social avatar

@danilo — I'm so immune to all that because of how super limited my follow bubble is. All I see is reserved excitement and great nerdiness. Happy enough with that!

sue,
@sue@glasgow.social avatar

@danilo that last one fucking hell lol aye very much that, but what is killing me most these days is the division of every bloody thing into two big piles labelled good and bad 🤪

IceCubesApp,
@IceCubesApp@mastodon.online avatar

If anyone is using the app on the , I can't wait to get some feedbacks!

IceCubesApp,
@IceCubesApp@mastodon.online avatar

@sbeazy @cameronbanga So you see a slowdown while scrolling? Is it itching? Could you send me a video?

IceCubesApp,
@IceCubesApp@mastodon.online avatar

@steveriggins Looking into that, this is definitely not normal. Thanks for the video!

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

I think @caseynewton has economically summarized where the whole industry is right now: most people have no idea what is for.

But I can tell you what it’s for:

Changing the scale of software, from something that fits in a window, to something that fits in a room.

Software big enough to walk through. As consequential, some day soon, as the GUI.

https://mastodon.social/@caseynewton/111842220034770887

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

For the first time since was introduced, I let my product designer’s eye imagine interfaces that were as big as I was. Designed for me to walk through and around.

Suddenly I understood what it was FOR

And what had been the simple curiosity I reserve for new technology shifted into something else: hunger for the chase of products that exist only in imagination. That hunger has defined my career.

I am deeply, deeply excited.

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

@papakipos The short version:

Instead of being cheap dogshit, the device is as expensive as it can possibly be. The displays don't have screen door effect, but manage a full 4k PER EYE. The interface is eye-driven, not shitty controller-driven. The default is high-quality passthrough, not shoving your head in an opaque hole.

And it has all of Apple's developer tools to build with.

I've been flushing thousands on XR hardware for a decade. They found all the holes.

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

People ragging on Apple for charging $200 for the case really missing the point here

There’s no universe where the case is even necessary because that shit is never leaving my house

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

“It sucks that Netflix is disabling compatibility mode for because then you can’t use it on the airplane”

let me stop you right there

Netflix can do whatever they want because I am never bringing a $4k face computer to the airport

anthrocypher,
@anthrocypher@hachyderm.io avatar

@grimalkina @danilo there’s a whole sci-fi short story to be written here meditating on how we mold ourselves so our tools can better use us

rileytestut,
@rileytestut@mastodon.social avatar

Emulating NES, SNES, and N64 games simultaneously on 👀

eduo,
@eduo@mastodon.social avatar

@rileytestut @jakemarsh Next Stop, having MAME spin up multiple instances for this:

pixel,
@pixel@social.pixels.pizza avatar

@rileytestut I love this so much

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

And that’s my order locked for February 2.

nesevis,
@nesevis@hachyderm.io avatar

@danilo I look forward to reading your thoughts on it.

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

@nesevis you will not be able to shut me up about it

I don’t even have one yet and I can’t shut up about it 😅

georgeharito,
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I’m at the stage now where I just skip over podcast chapters that are dedicated to Apple’s Vision Pro. And if the podcast doesn't have chapters, I just mark it as listened and then delete the podcast episode.

dbarros,
@dbarros@mastodon.social avatar

@georgeharito I've thought about doing something similar in getting an aftermarket CarPlay to replace my stereo that came with the car. I assume there are people out there that can do that for me (haven't looked yet) -- as it's not a job for me to do, as I'm sure I'll mess it up and end up with big holes on my dash and dangling wires all over the place.

georgeharito,
@georgeharito@mastodon.au avatar

@dbarros yep, am concerned about my capabilities of doing the swap myself too!

gedeonm,
@gedeonm@mastodon.social avatar

The answer to the question of “What is the use case / why did you make for your 3rd party app?” Has to be more than simply “Because we can.”

There has to be a compelling reason for users to don this big piece of equipment, instead of simply pulling their phones out from their pocket, easily and quickly. If there isn’t then you’ve missed the point IMHO.

gedeonm,
@gedeonm@mastodon.social avatar

@tchaten Sure. But unless devs can make a living porting those apps of old for the new platform however, this all will be moot. We all saw how this went for developers of Apple Watch sadly.

gedeonm,
@gedeonm@mastodon.social avatar

@dgavin the point is well taken, but it’s not like we haven’t stepped on the VR moon before. We’ve been exploring that space for almost 40 years and it hasn’t mounted anything mainstream or really useful. Can Apple change all that? If anyone can they can, but that is a big big question that remains to be seen.

klemensstrasser,
@klemensstrasser@mastodon.social avatar

Munich, here I come!

gernot,
@gernot@mas.to avatar

@stuffmc @uliwitness @klemensstrasser Gerade unterwegs super, wo es oft nur 1 Steckdose gibt

stuffmc,
@stuffmc@mastodon.social avatar

@gernot @uliwitness @klemensstrasser nope being saturn nicht. Mediamarkt zu weit und macht bald zu. Apple it will be. Again.

steveriggins,
@steveriggins@mastodon.social avatar

Has anyone worked out how to use a PC within a ? There is NDI but that seems one way with no input control support

steveriggins,
@steveriggins@mastodon.social avatar

@danilo oh wild ok. I would likely use the Mac version of steamlink then because I use a azeron cyborg usb controller and a mouse.

How convoluted can I make this!

Thanks for the info!

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

@steveriggins yeah, good luck! It’s great tech

danilo,
@danilo@hachyderm.io avatar

I have one point upon which I was simply dead wrong about :

I completely underestimated its potential for watching movies.

You would need tens of thousands of dollars just to remodel your house to get anything close to the scale and image quality you’re seeing here.

The movie theater business is fucked as HMD’s of this pixel density become more common and affordable.

steveriggins,
@steveriggins@mastodon.social avatar

@danilo the cameras need to get much sharper though. My entire world is just low res now. It’s great compared to other pass through but has to get better

danilo,
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@steveriggins is it the cameras or the constraints of the image processing pipeline downstream? The video captures always look pristine

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