qwamqwamqwam,

Temperature is average kinetic energy. It is very easy to put kinetic energy into an object and much harder to take it out. Microwaves do it by shining a “light” tuned to microwave frequencies on objects. So you can imagine the problem is about as hard as shining a lamp on something and having it get colder. Laser-based cooling methods do exist but they’re quite expensive and mostly operate on the atomic scale. For now, the best way we know of to cool large items in bulk is to put them next to something that’s even colder—in short, a refrigerator.

Carighan,
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leanleft, (edited )
@leanleft@lemmy.ml avatar

a can of soda can cool faster in the freezer for ~30 min.
some people suggest adding an insulated sleeve.
i also use freezer to cool down coffee quickly.
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originalucifer,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

'projecting' energy is kinda easy... 'sucking' energy is difficult

Octopus1348,

Refrigerator

Jimmycakes,

There’s commercial equipment called blast chillers but it still takes like 10-15 minutes

Agent641,

Part of the problem is if you want to chill something, like a warm beer or bottle of wine, you dont want to freeze any part of it. Sure you could dubk it in superchilled liquid nitrogen at -255 or whatever, but the heat energy leaves the object from the outside, and the liquid nearer the edge would freeze before you got the middle cold. You might also thermally shock the glass and break it.

The fastest way to chill a wine or beer would probably to put it in an immersion bath fully submerged in a dense, thermally conductive liquid like salt water, kept at a temperature of -2 degrees C or so, and a pump to circulate it around, like a cold sous-vide where maximum surfacearea is being exposed to the chilling liquid. If you left it in long enought it might eventually freeze, but you could optimise immersion time and bottle temperature to ensure that its inner heat energy and thermal transfer rate is enough to prevent the liquid at the outer edge from freezig.

If your wine or beer had a magnetic stir bar or something inside to keep the temperature of the inner liquid circulating and thermally consistent, your saltwater bath could go even colder, but that would introduce other problems like nucleating the carbon dioxide in the beer or wine.

sparr,

There are cheap household gadgets that rotate a can or bottle in a [salt] ice water bath to chill it rapidly. www.amazon.com/…/B0148K37K2?th=1 etc

Also more expensive ones with better temperature control for wine bottles.

bi_tux,
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Laser cooling exists, but I don’t suppose you can afford one or want your beer on 2°K

PlutoniumAcid,
@PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world avatar

How does that work?? Genuinely curious.

bi_tux,
@bi_tux@lemmy.world avatar

Basicly photons are shot against an atom to slow it down (the slower the elements move the “colder” something gets)

worfosaurus, (edited )

It’s unintuitive, but super cool! There’s a great video by Physics Girl and Veritasium that explain it better than I ever could here.

First, the wavelength of the laser (think of it as the “color” of the laser) is chosen such that the energy of the photons is just under the energy state of the atoms that you are trying to cool.

Now, when the atom is moving toward the source of the laser, this causes the atom to “see” a higher energy. This is called Doppler shift and is a very well-known effect in anything that emits waves and is moving. In fact, you’ve experienced it before when you hear a car horn – as it moves towards you it has a higher pitch and as it moves away from you it has a lower pitch.

So, for atoms moving toward the source the see the energy rise just enough to absorb the photon and move to a higher energy state. Inevitably, the atom will want to move to a lower energy state (as all matter does) and will end up ejecting a new photon in a random direction. In order to maintain the conservation of momentum, this means that the photon will likely be ejected in a way that counteracts the direction it was previously moving, effectively slowing it down. Since heat is a measure of how fast atoms are moving, this means that atom has cooled down.

For atoms moving away from the laser source, they are unable to absorb the photons because the Doppler shift acts in the opposite direction, and they are completely unable to absorb the photons.

So as a result of all this, it is possible to slow down atoms moving in a very specific direction, without affecting the other atoms. This means you can systematically slow atoms down which means you can systematically cool things down.

Edit: Here’s a piped link to the youtube video above in case you’re privacy-conscious, however, Dianna (aka Physics Girl) has been bed-ridden with Long COVID for a while now so it would be great if you could contribute to her Patreon in lieu of the ad revenue

PlutoniumAcid,
@PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you!! This was a fantastic explanation! Great ELI5 style, I feel I don’t even need to watch that video - even though Veritasium is amazing.

vitriolix,
@vitriolix@lemmy.ml avatar

it also helps to be cooling a single atom at a time

intensely_human,

My god where does it end with you beer snobs??

bi_tux,
@bi_tux@lemmy.world avatar

A lot of laser coolers were built exactly for cooling single atoms (to do scientific research)

swcollings,

You would need to find a way to make food spontaneously emit microwaves so it loses energy and cools off. That probably involves altering the strength of one of the nuclear forces or something.

doggle,

In reductively simple terms heat is really easy to generate. In fact pretty much everything we do creates extra heat entirely on accident, so a device than make things hot on purpose is actually surprisingly simple. It’s much harder to get rid of. The only economical way we’ve found of managing it is by using to phase change of refrigerants to pump it out of enclosed spaces, which is how refrigerators and air conditioners currently work. Everything else would be more complex, less efficient, or both. So if such a thing is even possible it would almost certainly be much more expensive

theFibonacciEffect,

Well, it does exist, it’s called laser cooling, but it’s only if you want to have things really cold

RogueBanana,

It’s a lot easier to generate heat from electricity than to transfer them out. Closest bet would be just blasting cold air but heat transfer will be slow so it’s still quite limited.

Snowman44,

There is a drink chiller that chills drinks in about a minute. You could use the same idea for other things.

Corkyskog,

The Chill-O-Matic is smaller, cheaper and probably easier to clean as it doesn’t seem to have tubing.

The design of that machine in your link is a lot of overkill for something simple.

ElHexo,

There’s a lot of posts here not answering the question or saying it’s impossible.

A reverse microwave is possible.

The 1997 Nobel Prize in physics was awarded for the development of methods to cool and trap atoms with laser light.

It’s just very hard to do and no one has successfully cooled a large complex object with laser-based cooling.

uralsolo,

TIL, that’s cool.

Comment105,

You should try to build a chamber that sprays liquid nitrogen or other cryogenic liquids at the food.

Idk, good luck.

fixmycode,
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I believe that the problem with this method is that the nitrogen will expand in contact with the hot object, and this being a chamber means that there’s risk of explosion.

Comment105,

Win win in my book.

Crashumbc,

They never said the chamber had to be pressure tight …

archomrade,

Yea, but it’d be a really cool explosion.

I’ll see myself out.

Blackmist,

It’s called a freezer and it just takes a bit longer.

bubbalu,

There is! It’s called a blast chiller and just takes a dumby amount of energy proportional the amount of energy removed from the food. It’s easier to add than subtract.

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