I just got up and took about 7 big huffs on a vape while making a coffee. 2% strength and my vision went, everything went black I started blacking out against the kitchen counter. Had to kneel down and wait for it to pass before standing up to finish my coffee. Fucked it up in a cloud of confusion and drank a warm milk.
Why do people assume the worst? I just whimsically puffed on a vape and thought - *“Fuck me this is too strong to be legal”. I don’t genuinely believe we need to ban nicotine. I’m pro legalisation of all drugs. I was just bored and found it interesting this drug that almost made me KO on the kitchen floor is legal. There’s no sinister plot or baits. Just a bored person.
My guy, see a doctor. Temporary blindness/blacking out is not a normal reaction to nicotine, even in excess. “Nic sick” should just mean nausea/vomiting, dizziness and headaches.
I got unconscious on marijuana two times. Not much, smoked a few times before without any consequences. Went to the doctor, he tested my heartbeat (I think), which was fine, and said „well just don’t smoke marijuana“. Which I ended up doing because I was scared. But I would have liked to know what the fuck was going on with me because that can’t be normal. The doctor did not care.
I take it you have never taken nicotine in any capacity then. This is not “nic sick” but that “first hit of the day.” Happened to me and everyone I knew when i smoked cigs, and when I kicked it for vaping, and when I kicked that for gum, patches, and lozenges. It’s lightheadedness caused by replacing all your air with not air AND the head rush of nicotine.
That said OP should kick the habit if they can anyway (:
My body is a temple (of shit). I used to be a fit, healthy runner & judoka until I became a fat meth addict in my 30s. Now at 40 I’ve quit meth but I was probably suffering from dehydration[1], high BP[2] and shite health[3] when I vaped this morning so the head rush had more effect than normal.
I struggle to give a fuck though. I was told I have high cholesterol a few years back but tbh I don’t really wanna be here.
But I don’t have the guts to end it[4] so I’ll just coast along abusing my body til it packs up and dies. I’m doing well at that: I’m so sedentary I get back ache just standing up and I’m still about 20kg overweight. This year I’m 41! I don’t remember the last time I celebrated a birthday and this year won’t be different. I have an uncle who died at 42 of a heart attack; maybe I’ll go the same age.
[1] After 3 cups of coffee I’ve peed once in the past few hours.
[2] Overweight with cholesterol so bound to have high BP.
[3] Recovering drug addict.
[4] More due to lack of success, trying repeatedly for 20yrs and failing every time.
I’ve had a hard life, too. Not in the same way - for me, it was the Army, backpacking, rollerblading everywhere, skiing every year since childhood, dabbling in various martial arts, and just a lot of physical activity. Now, later in life I have chronic back pain, my knees are shot, and I have arthritis. I can’t do any of those physical activities that I loved so much anymore, I’m tired of corrective surgeries, and I’m just weary of being in constant pain. I used to obsess about the fact that I couldn’t avoid dying some day; now, it’s comforting to know someday the pain will be over.
So I get where you’re coming from, and I hope you can get to a better place.
If I’m allowed two minor rants: a highly physical life will wear you down. The body wears out: being active makes it happen faster. Obviously, being obese brings it’s own issues, but the fact that we (Americans) villify sedentary lifestyles but glorify sports is unbalanced. The rule should be: moderation in all things.
My second rant: because of the opioid crisis, people who are in chronic pain are treated like addicts. Medical professionals are now terrified of using the best pain management tool available to us today. Example: my wife is going in for a major surgery - they’re literally cutting her abdomen open, taking her guts out, cutting a bunch of stuff that shouldn’t be there out, and stitching her back together. The recovery period will be months. She’s been tld going in that they want to manage the pain without opioids – which isn’t “managing” the fucking pain, it’s just forcing her to suffer through it. All because of laws and regulations punishing the prescription of opioids has doctor afraid of doing it. It makes me furious.
You seem to understand what happened decently well already, why did you really make this post? Your situation reminds me of my wife's father who was in a similar situation, over 40, ex meth user who had ended up on cigarettes and really abused himself until he got cancer from the cigs and passed and his negligence for his own life really hurt my wife and her family. He was a badass dude, and I regret I didn't know him better.
I hope you can find a reason to treat yourself better, especially if anyone loves or relies on you, it's the best reason I have to do decent in life, it'd never be for me, it'd be for my loved ones.
Yeah but do you see literally everyone doing it? I feel like most people would see the effort involved and just give up. sure, there would be a large underground black market for alcohol but I think the average person probably wouldn’t even bother trying to make their own.
Effort? What effort? Putting a bunch of sugar into juice and letting it sit for a couple of months takes almost no effort.
Want something stronger? Put your newly created Cider in the freezer for a few hours then remove the ice. Congratulations you just freeze distilled your Cider in jack (nearly 30% abv)
Hey now, if we just militarize our police a bit more, kill and/or throw a few more black people in jail, and further erode civil liberties, surely white kids will stop over dosing on drugs.
I know, right? Last night I drank 5 liters of water while brushing my teeth, and I got a serious stomach ache! How is water legal!?
What I’m saying is that what you experienced there was something called an “user error”.
I have smoked for around 15 years now, got a vape maybe 3 years ago and I’ve never had anything like that happen, unless you count the “contests” we had in middle school.
The bigger question is why alcohol is not illegal. Ruins lives and families all over the globe. It is addictive, although not as much as opioids, and drunk people cannot drive and can also otherwise not be trusted. Some tend to violent outbursts etc.
The only answer is: It’s easy to make, it’s been tradition and banning/limiting it has been tried before. And that’s also the reason why tobacco is still legal and nicotine isn’t illegal.
Here's the thing. There's that famous study of Vietnam vets who used heroin. Turns out that 95% quit cold turkey and never relapsed. In Vietnam, their life was shit, so they used heroin to cope. Back in the US, their lives weren't that shit, so they simply stopped using.
Alcohol? If an alcoholic quits cold turkey, there's a high chance they'll drop dead.
This is partly why there's that 2010 study that ranked alcohol as being more dangerous than heroin.
Among other drugs, yeah. There are better ways to deal with the harm these drugs cause. You can get high huffing gasoline aswell and that’s not illegal either. (Please don’t huff gasoline)
The article's far more nuanced, but if you're going to ask a simple yes/no question, then yes heroin should be legalised. Done well, and if you adress the true causes of addiction, this is likely to result in the best societal outcome.
Headrush. It’s part of the appeal! Funny story, I once stood up too quickly and as I opened the door to leave the room I had a headrush. I grabbed the top of the door for support, but also fell against it trapping my fingers, so I yanked it back and smacked the door into my face, so I pushed it away and trapped my fingers in the top. Good times.
Same way alcohol is legal I imagine, we’ve been doing it for enough time that it has become culture, and it’s not like THAT many people die of it anyway.
Luckily smoking (hopefully including e-smokes) appears to still be declining.
They’ll never ban nicotine. Have you ever dealt with an ex-smoker? Very aggro. You’d have riots of very angry people if we banned nicotine immediately.
I could see vapes going to way of cigarettes and being educated out of society but it’s going to take a generation. A lifetime of being told “smoking is bad” killed smoking but vapes popped up that solved a hundred problems with smoking immediately (no arsenic, no cancer, no tar, etc) so I think they’ll have to brainstorm on how they can convince a big chunk of people why nicotine is bad.
I’ve quit vaping a few times but came to a horrifying conclusion: Why? It’s not like it improves my life massively. Not like smoking where you regain your sense of taste, smell and improve your health. You’ve simply removed the ability to have morning head rushes. That’s it.
I beleive they will, here in australia the gov has been slowly but surely driving up taxes on cigarettes until the point where its such an expensive habit that people wont get hooked in the first place because why spend all that money on durries when you could spend it on some much more enjoyable and affordable instead - before you get to the addiction stage.
This is along with changing laws to deincentivise smokers, such as plain packaging laws to remove advertising appeal, banning indoor smoking and smoking within x-meters of a building doorway, etc.
And now vapes are the new thing the tobacco industry is pushing they have outright banned nicotine vapes and cartridges importing and buying.
If they create a generation that never starts smoking then will anyone resist banning it by the time the last smokers die out?
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