MisterNeon,
@MisterNeon@lemmy.world avatar

No. The problem with science is that in part it relies on trial and error. That could get messy on a societal level. We should utilize observation with scientific methods to inform our decisions. Unfortunately a lot of people don’t do that currently and scientific data results can also be manipulated to fulfill an agenda.

spiderwort,

We have good models that offer up good decisions, so why put it to the vote?

Base our policy on tested models. Audit our reasoning thoroughly. Be rational.

Vs consult the masses, 99% of whom don’t even understand the question.

Seems like a no brainer

MisterNeon,
@MisterNeon@lemmy.world avatar

Well in your scenario who will implement this? Furthermore, what is the goal that you’re trying to engineer with a science based government? Is it personal happiness, population numbers, the production of capital, or to indoctrinate the masses to serve the state? Are you going to justify the use of eugenics? What happens when goals conflict or individuals don’t want to participate in experiments? What if the science you’re implementing has different philosophies or different schools of thought? How do you determine what is the optimal method?

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

What models are you suggesting we use that are making these good decisions?

You’re using a lot of very general language throughout this thread. We need some elaboration. Otherwise it’s just “we should be logical and stuff.”

vext01,
@vext01@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Democracy could be said to work on trial an error too, just with human factors thrown into the mix?

MisterNeon,
@MisterNeon@lemmy.world avatar

A very good point.

xylogx,

So like philosopher kings?

spiderwort, (edited )

I was thinking straight up science.

Given these observations, these firmly established scientific models and this bit of sound reasoning, we conclude that these policies should be implemented.

No voting required.

sweng,

You forget a piece: “Given these observations, these objectives, and this bit of sound reasoning, …”

Without objectives, no amount of reasoning will tell you what to do. Who sets the objectives?

over_clox,

Science has brought us some rather advanced artificial intelligence that can do many amazing things.

It can model extremely complex protein chains, yet can’t even render a hand properly and doesn’t even comprehend how people consume nutrients.

You really wanna leave all the decisions up to science and technology?

spiderwort,

Well that’s the question.

Voting means lots of dummies, a sea of propaganda… Bad stuff there too.

over_clox,

While I can agree that dummies shouldn’t be allowed to vote, how would/could/should we go about designing a proper voter verification program that more or less eliminates the actual dummies/sheeple?

But I don’t think taking the voter factor completely out of the equation in favor of pure raw science is the answer either.

If you leave everything to science, then science would say the world is overpopulated and we should eliminate half or more of the population…

spiderwort,

I read a short story where they took a humane approach to population reduction.

An engineered disease. A short fever and then your uterus stops working. 95% effective.

Rioting. All scientists hung. But the world was better.

over_clox,

You must be really fun at parties…

/s

hperrin,

Ah yes, forced sterilization. Very humane.

That’s called fascism. You read a fascist fan-fic. I guarantee the people who were forcefully sterilized wouldn’t agree that the world was better.

spiderwort,

It’s called science fiction you gibbering philistine.

hikaru755,

And science fiction somehow can’t be fascist?

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