I watched it recently for the first time, and I really don’t get why it’s so loved. IMDB rates it as the second-best movie of all time, but it seems far worse than that to me. I like most old movies and see their hype, but The Godfather didn’t do it for me. What am I missing?
Sometimes works of art (paintings, music, film, sculpture, architecture, literature, doesn’t matter) are so profoundly influential as to become a part of the fabric of that medium. I think the Godfather is one of those films that inspired an entire generation of filmmakers to weave the special bits into everything they created since.
The problem with watching it now is that the craft of filmmaking has spawned from it and molded around it, and the things that made it special are now mundane. Try to watch Citizen Kane, or 2001 A Space Odyssey, or Seven Samurai, and you’ll see every trope and flaw because their impact is no longer unique. But that’s not because they weren’t amazing films, it’s because they have all be copied and modernized and lampooned to death.
With the Godfather, a film buff could talk for hours about the lighting, the symbolism, the mise en scene, the music, and how it was all seminal to half the movies made since. Watching it with virgin eyes, though, and you’ll see reflections of Goodfellas and Casino and Scarface and Once Upon a Time in America and The Irishman and A Bronx Tale and Donnie Brasco and New Jack City and Road to Perdition and We Own the Night and The Departed and The Untouchables and probably 50 other movies I can’t think of off the top of my head.
You can’t help but see it as a relic, a source of inspiration for the movies you saw before and loved. That’s why you don’t see it the way they did, and why it seems over hyped.
Was thinking that the other day. I love the Maltese falcon, it’s got so many tropes for film noir. Then I remember, and then I recall showing my wife The Matrix and her eye rolling so hard at things that became so popular they were overdone. Didn’t expect a laugh at the slow mo bullet scene but it definitely cracks me up now too.
I rewatched this recently, and yeah, all the cliches are there (some rather clumsily filmed even by 40s standards) - but fuck me if Bogie still doesn't blow it out of the water with that performance. I can't think of a single film noir protagonist that matches what he pulled off in that film. He's better here than he is in Casablanca by a long shot imho.
If you liked the movie, try reading ‘Red Harvest,’ by Dashiell Hammett, the original author. A tough private eye shows up in a corrupt mining town and decides to clean it up by starting a war between the biggest crooks. Now that’s an idea that’s been redone a few times.
Great write up. 2001 a space odyssey is a great example. The story holds up, but the effects were blown away (with star wars etc being a main example). It’s interesting, but not at all a good watch except in the context of film evolution. That said, it changed so much in cinema, storytelling, and more.
Having read the book some time before seeing the movie, I was pretty unimpressed with how much of the story was left out. Most notably the reasons behind Hal going off the rails.
And that explains why it was impactful movies in the 70s, but that doesn’t explain why it’s rated 2nd best movie today. If anything you provided arguments against that.
Because things can be appreciated for their historical relevance. It’s like saying that the Sputnik should be forgotten because SpaceX launches 20 satellites with a single rocket every other month. Or that Michelangelo statues are overrated now that we invented 3D printing.
this isn’t a dig at gen-z for being “uncultured” or whatever, just pointing out that a substantial chunk of the population was able to experience the film before it became as “cliche” as it is today.
It’s rated highly because the people who do the ratings are familiar with how impactful the movie was. They understand the quality of the film within the context where and when it was created.
If you were to compare a Manet to an AI generated photorealistic version of the same painting, an art buff would prefer the Manet. Someone who lacks the context and background might complain about the brush strokes or the imperfect color blending or the lack of definition in the faces, and say that the AI generated image is “better.” That preference does not in any way diminish the quality of Manet’s work or the appreciation people have for it.
When discussing art, “best” is always subjective. You’re allowed to not like the Godfather. It’s not my favorite movie, either, but I enjoy watching it now and again. People who love the film have written many books on why it’s their favorite masterpiece. You won’t win an argument with them that it’s not among the best movies of all time, but then neither will they convince you to appreciate the movie if you didn’t enjoy watching it.
I had this weird sensation when I watched Metropolis. I found myself thinking "ugh every trope and this is hacky as hell" then I remembered: "oh wait, this is the source of all of those things." It made it a lot easier to appreciate.
That’s how Seinfeld is too. Seinfeld pioneered so many things in comedy but if you view it as a relic it seems lame. As a youngin I couldn’t understand why anyone thinks it’s funny
What you’re forgetting completely (like 90% of “movie guys”), is that most people don’t care or notice most of what you’re talking about. Godfather is fundamentally a boring film. The story is banal, was back then probably too. You can have the best lighting you want, if the story is boring, the movie sucks.
Are you familiar with the Nickelodeon show The Fairy Oddparents? Well if you ate not, that show is about how sad kids get fairy godparents to fulfil their wishes, so that they are not so sad any more.
Well that show is like a prequel to The Godfather, except that it takes place after The Godfather. It takes you through similar events to what happened to make the character of the Godfather how he is.
You see when he was a child he had Fairy godparents to furfil his wishes and make him happy. So when he grew up he also wanted to make people happy, by fulfilling their wishes, and he called himself The Godfather, after his Godparents. Who now was gone to help another kid in need.
A fun fact is that in The Fairy Oddparents we are actually following the same Godparents, just with a different kid, but on a similar journey. It was a very experimental form of a prequel, but one that worked marvellously well.
Oh yes, that is definitely the actual plot of “the GOD-FATHER” and I, Margot Robbie, am very interested to hear more big, strong men explain the intricacies of this movie while we do nothing suspicious in the background at all!
My theory is that The Godfather suffers from pioneer syndrome. It was incredibly modern at the time of its release, with ultra-naturalistic acting and new techniques of cinematography. Which everyone proceeded to copy. So that now it looks like just a decent film, maybe from the 80s. But at the time it was a breakthrough. That’s what it’s getting the credit for.
It’s a masterclass in acting, cinematography, and soundtracking. Not only that, but Mario Puzo’s novel which came out shortly before the movie was produced was a smash hit.
In the 70s, movies didn’t look like The Godfather. They looked like weird objective cameras put on a tripod and just filming actors, with not as much thought put into the “feel” of the film. FFC (as well as other directors such as Hitchcock and Kubrick) essentially invented modern cinematography. Remember watching Avatar for the first time? It was kind of like that for movie going audiences.
It was always hailed as an “epic drama” so you have to kind of temper your expectations based off that. It’s not a “murder a minute” gangster flick like a Scorsese picture.
IMHO, while most fans of the series say Part 1 is the best, Part 2 with De Niro as Young Vito is arguably far superior. The first movie is quite dry and you really have to be paying attention to names and conversations, while the 2nd movie has a lot more going for it dynamically and is easier to follow.
It’s the end result of pushing everyone away for the sole pursuit of power. It’s an old man realizing the life that he was trying to recreate (his father’s life), is nothing but a twisted version of the real thing.
It’s supposed to be depressing because the movie is in dialogue with the two that came before it.
Many people say that Sofia Coppola ruined the movie for them, but IMO it’s more so the stark contrast between a young/middle aged Michael coming into his own in the 1st 2 movies, and a senior citizen Michael regretful of his choices in the final act. The party comes to a close and we’re reminded of the terminus of all things.
Please read John Truby’s book “The Anatomy of Genres”, and have your mind BLOWN by all the psychology in the different 14 Genres of story, dominating our cultures throughout the world, now…
It will make fiction in book AND movie form sooo much richer for you, and it will make other-people much-more-understandable, as well…
I’m autistic, am NOT likely to ever watch another movie in my life ( waaay too overwhelming ), but now I understand story so much better…
Truby’s got a special place in his heart for both Godfather I & II.
With reason, his explanations show.
There are an amazing number of awesome stories identified in that book, as examples demonstrating this, or that, aspect of story…
Please read it from beginning to end, so the explanations ( which build on each-other ) weave into the whole, properly ( instead of just hitting 2 chapters & not getting why it doesn’t make as much sense as I’m suggesting it does ).
The only significant error in the book worth noting, is the misunderstanding of Comedy:
Improbably-violated-expectations is the PROPER definition of it, and there is no requirement for any “drop”, which seems an American subset of humour.
I appreciate book recommendations as much as the next person, but just a book recommendation without answering the question isn’t super helpful. I’m not going to read a book before I continue scrolling.
It’s better if you watch other movies from the same time and a bit earlier so you can appreciate the direction and cinematography. Comparing it to modern films is akin to comparing modern games to Half Life 1. You lose something without the context of the contemporaries of the time.
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