Biden says global warming topping 1.5 degrees in the next 10 to 20 years is scarier than nuclear war

What Biden has done is to cut the issuance of drilling leases to the minimum required by law, pass the Inflation Reduction Act, enact a regulation to force vehicle electrification, and similarly force fossil fuels out of most power plants.

What Biden has not done: stop issuing drilling permits or impose export restrictions on fossil fuels. The former has some serious limits because of how the courts treat the right to drill as a property right once you hold a drilling lease, and the latter is simply untested.

winterwulf,

And what he is doing to prevent it? Did the US decided to FINALLY SIGN THE FUCKING KYOTO PROTOCOL?

prole,

Read the post before commenting, you doughnut

winterwulf,

he is doing too little too late.

prole,

You’re right, he should have done more while Trump was president!

winterwulf,

He was a senator, he is not an outsider. He have power inside his party. What historically Biden has done?

prole,

Well for one, no. Biden was not a Senator while Trump was president… But giving you the benefit of the doubt that you meant his Senate career prior to being VP.

Found some stuff on google: politifact.com/…/was-joe-biden-climate-change-pio…

And this site claims, over his 40+ year Senate career, that he made a pro-environmental vote 83% of the time: scorecard.lcv.org/moc/joe-biden.

Yes, League of Conservative Voters… But I don’t know that necessarily means it’s wrong. They’ve got all the votes there so I guess you can check yourself.

silence7,

As I originally posted:

What Biden has done is to cut the issuance of drilling leases to the minimum required by law, pass the Inflation Reduction Act, enact a regulation to force vehicle electrification, and similarly force fossil fuels out of most power plants.

What Biden has not done: stop issuing drilling permits or impose export restrictions on fossil fuels. The former has some serious limits because of how the courts treat the right to drill as a property right once you hold a drilling lease, and the latter is simply untested.

SeaJ,

The next 10 or 20 years? I just read an article that hit it already and will likely do it consistently over the next several years. The next 10-20 will likely few closer to a 3.6°F (2°C) rise.

silence7,

Year-to-year surface temperatures vary significantly. Look at a graph like this:

https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/ec9a9575-6198-4f7c-9d41-5f7ce489f3e4.webp

and it’s clear that we could easily have a string of years below this year’s temperature

SeaJ,

We could but the current El Niño is supposed to be pretty significant. We also have significantly less sulfur oxide being spewed by international shipping which has a large cooling effect on the oceans. It is good that we cut down on that pollution and there are things we can replace it with that will have similar effects and are less damaging but there is currently nothing planned that would essentially replace that coming effect.

While you are correct that there is a good amount of variability in the temperature, I think it is just as likely that it will be variability the other way.

frezik,

I think I know the one you’re talking about, and the headline is somewhat misleading. This comes with the disclaimer that I don’t want to downplay the severity of any of this, but it’s important to have the right context.

What’s happened is that we’ve had two months in a row with extreme temperatures. Those alone peak above +1.5C. It had been this high before, back in 2016. However, we’re not going to have an average of +1.5C of extra warming this year, or in the next few years.

It’s still bad, just not that bad.

query,

Of course. Climate change is happening, and will keep getting worse until all the biggest countries agree to do and actually go through with doing something substantial about it (or to fully isolate the economies of those that refuse). Nuclear war is just an idea.

pinkdrunkenelephants,

It’s doubtful curbing CO2 output will put a stop to it now. We’re already seeing the beginnings of feedback loops kicking in, and with them runaway climate collapse.

silence7,

We’ve got pretty clear evidence that getting emissions to zero is enough to stop the increase in average surface temperature.

query,

Right, we need net zero emissions, no further destruction of nature, and then we can start doing something to undo what we’ve already done.

Coreidan,

There is no undoing what we’ve done. The icecaps will soon be gone and once they are gone they are gone for good

pinkdrunkenelephants,

Putting up a solar shade would artificially cool the Earth enough for the ice caps to refreeze.

We really ought to collect all of that meltwater and distribute it to drought-stricken regions anyway.

arockinyourshoe,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/679c9aad-1298-42aa-9388-66c1b11da971.jpeg

Tavarin,
@Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

The icecaps didn’t always exist, and they can reform. It will take a long time mind you.

GreatGrapeApe,

We need most of the West and the upper classes of China to reduce their consumption of meat and animal products substantially.

Decompose,

“Every problem in the world can be solved by giving the government even more money… now give me your money.”

Never forget that when your economy collapses and your bonds become worthless, I’ll be here laughing. Clock is ticking.

www.usdebtclock.org

I’m already laughing at the explosion in real estate prices and inflation. Enjoy your fall with your fake alarmism. Who cares!

MonkderZweite,

Then finally start making the companies that make a win out of it pay more taxes!! Like, CO² taxes, import/export taxes.

en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_largest_oil_and_gas_co…

homesnatch,

That’s something that requires an act of Congress rather than Biden… And with the current House makeup, extremely unlikely.

MonkderZweite,

Ok, i’m not american, so thanks. Still, they are supposed to be leaders but are self-centered like children. They should go to kindergarten again, to learn compromise.

plaidiciennc,

That’s what most American citizens also believe.

jaybone,

Putin might save us all when he orders some confused kid to turn those keys.

stabby_cicada,

May I remind you global thermonuclear war is bad for the environment?

Dass93,

It’s not bad for the inviroment it’s bad for people. The climate is coming back over time.

Generic_Handel,

The environment around Chernobyl is doing great without people.

AngryCommieKender,

He won’t order it. He knows that the most likely result is that he just nukes Russia, and then gets a retaliatory strike when the world realizes he just tried to nuke someone.

WaxedWookie,

I’ve got some bad news… We’re already there.

silence7,

Not exactly. Most references to 1.5C are about the long term average hitting that level, not an individual year.

WaxedWookie,

Given the trend, it’s a pretty strong indicator we’re there. What is long-term in the context of a change over 10-20 years, that’s reaching a breakaway point?

You understand that when things are steadily moving in one direction, we’d need to overshoot the difference between the start of the reference period and the 1.5 degree figure by 100%(incorrectly assuming linear change - the reality is more exponential - far worse by the time it shows up)

For example - for a 1.5C change over 6 years, starting at 0C:

  • Year 0 - real temp 0, average 0
  • Year 3 - real temp 1.5, average 0.75
  • Year 6 - real temp 3, average 1.5
silence7,

The year to year variation is much larger than the underlying increase. We could easily see several years with the anomaly under 1.5C before

nxdefiant,

The sun is a nuclear furnace. Climate change IS nuclear war!

(we should nuke the sun)

Echo71Niner,

we should nuke the sun

ok, how

remotelove,

Use a bigger star.

Honytawk,

By tying nukes to rockets and sending them to the sun, duh!

If we go by night, we will even be able to see the explosion from Earth!

Echo71Niner,

lol

hoodlem,

Gotta nuke something

Stoney_Logica1,

If it’s good enough for Superman, it’s good enough for me.

PatFussy,

This is an insanely naive take for a president to have.

silence7,

I see it as an indication that he’s thinking about climate policy and not a serious risk assessment

4am,

Didn’t we just hit 1.5C today?

silence7,

We’re still some years from hitting an ongoing sustained average of 1.5°C above what it was in the late 1800s. That’s what people mostly talking about when they say 1.5°C

bouh,

This year will be above 1.5°C. Which means we did reach that.

What you’re talking about is the average of yearly average temperatures. But it’s not what we’re looking at. We’ve never seen earth average temperature above +1.5. And averages don’t move much. I don’t care if next year will “only” be +1.49…

TheDarkKnight,

Unfortunately, Russia (and SA) complicate the matter. Russia earns based on the price of oil and if the US stops producing it that price goes up along with it. The world still will buy Oil and Europe especially relies on US Oil at the moment as they ween themselves off Russia’s. Oil is the main economic driver of Russia, and you can’t combat that without producing MORE. SA’s also in the mix as they have no real other (major) economic sectors to support their country and they know Oil is going away. All of this plus Climate change leave no good options on the board to choose from at this moment except to promote and support green infrastructure…which Biden has done. It all sucks.

silence7,

Nobody is suggesting that the US suddenly and instantly stop extracting, but that it be phased out in conjunction with getting rid of the need for oil in the first place.

The Saudi royal family has an alternative at this point, which is to live off their sovereign wealth fund, which owns stocks and bonds outside the country. They are also sitting on several million barrels/day in reserve extraction capacity, and could pretty easily crash oil prices if they felt like it.

Defiant,

We just have to learn the hard way don’t we?

silence7,

Or we can work to stop things that are existential crises.

Four_lights77,

As an elementary school teacher, “the hard way” is the overwhelming choice of kids. I don’t think it changes that much when they grow into adults.

blazera,
blazera avatar

Ive seen fuck all investment in solar where I'm at. Id really like to contribute labor to it, but there's nothing.

exohuman, (edited )
@exohuman@programming.dev avatar

Here in the rural Midwest there is a huge investment in wind turbines. They are everywhere you look. I think what renewable is popular depends on your region.

blazera,
blazera avatar

Iowa had the most wind turbines in the US like...before Obama was even president I believe. But I wouldnt know what's been invested there federally since Biden took over, because I cant find any info on where those investments are going.

silence7,

There are specific areas where nothing is happening. For example, Alberta has a moratorium on renewables in order to benefit the local fossil fuels industry.

cobra89,

Lol that is the most Alberta thing I’ve ever heard.

silence7,

A lot has been happening in the southwest US, including Texas.

psyspoop,
psyspoop avatar

Where I'm at, we're actually getting a decent amount of solar, but unfortunately the power district is building the solar fields over some remnant tallgrass prairie, probably since it's cheaper than buying agricultural or residential land. This sucks since we've destroyed 98% of all the tallgrass prairie in the US, which makes it one of the most endangered biomes in the world, which is extra sucky since tallgrass prairie is one the most effective biomes at sequestering carbon, much more than even forests/woodlands.

yoz,

Let’s burn some more fossil fuels!! Whoo hoo,!! I doubt developing countries will stop it as their reasoning is absolutely correct. Developed countries already polluted the environment during the industrial stage and now they are in better position so they shouldn’t be the one lecturing about climate change. Only way to overcome this is by supporting each other financially but as we know human beings are greedy AF so let it burrrrnnnnnn!!

silence7,

The technological landscape that developing countries have today is very different from what it was a century ago. Wind and solar power are cheap in a way that they weren’t then, so there’s the possibility of a green industrialization, where they don’t have to go down the road the US and Europe and China did.

yoz,

Yeah naa…there’s a reason coal is being used and i’ll let you do your research before spilling BS.

WaxedWookie,

In the vast majority of developing nations coal is far more expensive than solar - even when factoring in batteries.

Care to share your baseless nonsense? There’s enough of it out there that I won’t make assumptions about your personal flavor of dumb.

…m.wikipedia.org/…/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

yoz,

Everyone’s a keyboard warrior here -

vox.com/…/cop27-fossil-fuels-energy-developing-co…

WaxedWookie,

Everyone is a keyboard warrior, but not all of us have a point - do you?

TL;DR of your citation: Developing nations are a drop in the ocean, fossil fuels have significant downsides, and it wouldn’t be fair to put this burden on them - even if it threatens their existence more than most.

None of that disagrees meaningfully with anything I’ve said. Renewables are a cheaper solution all of us should be using.

What’s the point you failed to outsource?

yoz,

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/bd/eb/4abdeb43a4aad9f9a7366789d12ac253.png

cobra89,

The issue is mostly availability and infrastructure. Wind and solar only produce energy when there’s wind and solar. However new renewable energy is cheaper to produce but is inconsistent and not as reliable as a coal burning plant.

You can do something like Australia did with their huge Tesla battery to store the renewables but that’s not very economically feasible for developing nations, but they should still be building out new renewables for energy and filling the gaps with fossil fuels instead of just sticking with fossil fuels entirely.

iAmTheTot,
iAmTheTot avatar

Climate change is scary, but scarier than nuclear war? I dunno, man.

bouh,

It definitely is. It is far, far more cataclysmic than a nuclear war. You’ll discover that soon unfortunately.

Yearly1845, (edited )

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    Mog_fanatic,

    Relaaaax. We’re not going to die. Most likely anyways. Our children tho… hoo boy they might have a bit of a problem on their hands

    mosscap,

    Hey so as someone who is 35 and has survived massive flooding and a heat dome, the “its not something we’ll have to worry about” line doesn’t really make sense when I think about getting old and experiencing things like dementia or limited mobility in a world at 1.75 degrees warming

    Mog_fanatic,

    Hey as someone who is most likely headed for Alzheimer’s myself, at least I won’t even know I’m living in hell on earth! Silver lining I guess… 😅

    SkyeStarfall,

    I don’t know, I’m 25 and we’re starting to feel the effect very obviously now. What makes you think it won’t be seriously affecting me in my life?

    RobertOwnageJunior,

    It will obviously affect all of us to varying degrees. But we won’t all die. Quite a lot will die (a lot of old people and a lot of poor people, as is tradition), but we don’t get anywhere by making a Hollywood movie out of it. It’s serious enough on it’s own.

    Azal,

    HAHA, jokes on you, I haven’t procreated!

    bouh,

    I used to believe it would be a problem for our children. But it’s happening right now. Wildfires, cyclones, heat waves, lack of water, pandemics… It’s happening right now.

    Mog_fanatic,

    Oh for sure and it seems to be happening a lot faster than even the conservative guesstimates. But I’d bet my bottom dollar that future generations are gonna have it way worse than us if we don’t change course big time.

    bouh,

    We’re fucked already. The question now is about how much we will be fucked and if we can survive this. See what happened in Hawaï. It happened in Europe too. Cyclones will be a lot more common too. Heat waves are already hitting several times per year in what were temperate places. Agriculture is already suffering, and with it will come famine.

    It’s important to act now, because things will only get worse and it’s bad enough already.

    alternative_factor,
    alternative_factor avatar

    I like how no one here mentioned the obvious fact that climate change disasters will only make world powers more willing to start a nuclear war. Just look at North Korea, what will happen when they have a huge famine or flood or fire or whatever and even the Kims can't fill their bellies, what then?

    silence7,

    IMHO this mostly tells us that Biden is talking about climate policy with the people around him. That’s enough to be a big deal.

    Cethin,

    Yeah, when all the Republicans in the last debate said it wasn’t real, or whatever words were used, this is a clear difference on what’s likely the most important issue for most voters.

    silence7,

    Sadly a large chunk of voters don’t consider climate to be their top issue

    Venat0r,

    The scariness multiplied by the probability of it happening maybe…

    GreenMario,

    Nuclear war is quick.

    Climate change is slow.

    Gimme the quick flash over the boiling frog deal Everytime.

    Chetzemoka,
    Chetzemoka avatar

    If you're lucky enough to be one of the minimal handful who actually die in the quick flash. More likely you'll be one of the multitudes poisoned by radioactive fallout or starved by nuclear winter.

    It's not better.

    kitonthenet,

    No siree, I live next to a state capitol, I'll be just fine

    Chetzemoka,
    Chetzemoka avatar

    I just want one of those Hawaii-style text message warnings, so I can start driving toward Boston asap

    kitonthenet,

    now you're getting it

    GreenMario,

    I live near silos.

    I’m getting vaporized. Hells yeah.

    9point6,

    Nuclear war is obviously terrible. But it’s still somewhat localised between the warring nations.

    Climate change is everywhere and will eventually be just as devastating and then quickly much worse if not resolved

    Rapidcreek,

    IDK, climate-fueled illnesses — tied to hotter temperatures, and swifter passage of pathogens and toxins. Continuing pandemics would be no treat.

    doggle,

    In that it is definitely happening and will be equally destructive if steps aren’t taken to prevent it, albeit over a longer timeframe.

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