I especially love the reference to UCC 1-207. That was renumbered 308 in 2004. More proof these people have no idea what they are talking about about, and are just repeating gibberish.
I looked it up and besides what you pointed out, this law allows one to “reserve their rights when entering into a contract,” but the contract must be agreed upon by both parties. Somehow, I don’t think a city/county/state is going to recognize this as a driver’s license, meaning it’s a “contract” with only one party.
Probably it that much since these are the same people who think the US government turn their personal being into a corporation and they can pull from that equity
Lol having read dozens of other posts like this where people are talking about being in court for not paying their rent or credit card bill, I doubt you’ll be able to get much money out of these people.
You don’t even have to bother with something as complicated as an ID. My mom spent hundreds on little metal disks that the seller claimed blocked 5g. She’s got them all over her house: under all of her electronics, in her wallet, and anywhere else someone’s managed to convince her needs to be protected. She’s tried getting me to take some, crying that the 5g will make me infertile if I’m not “protected” by 1mm of aluminum.
Hopefully they are just aluminium, there have been quite a few quack devices that claim to do magical things including blocking 5G that actually contain radioactive material. Not super high levels, probably all just raw ore, but probably not something you’d want near you for a prolonged time.
Well, she’s already dying of breast cancer that she found while it was still DCIS, but continues to refuse anything but quack treatments even as it’s progressed to stage 4, so I doubt a bit of uranium ore will be what takes her out in the end.
IIRC they avoid “Birth” like the plague because in Sovcit world “birth” actually means “berth” and means you’re actually cargo bound by admiralty law or something nutty like that.
I really feel for these folks getting conned into thinking that these will work for any identification requirement. So many contradictions, like why is there an expiration date? I suppose it adds to some legitimacy to the document for the sovcit crowd.
Most of a QR Code is redundant data so it’s still possible you can decode it, and the positioning marks are still there, but you’d probably have to remake the timing marks along the left, also idk how alignment marks work on a QR this big since some would be missing too (edit: actually only one and a half are gone).
Thats because you didnt write your wet ink signature in red ink at a 45 degree angle when you applied. You also have to declare that you do not accept the terms of the contract and prefer indefinite extensions under Title 18 chapters 213 and 214.
If you do that, you don’t have to renew you license anymore.
I thought maybe there is some special provision for issuing driver’s licenses in Native American territory (Pamunkey) or something. We have these clowns here in Germany as well. They’re pretty much the same way. Somewhat hilarious folk. Some of them even planned a coup d’état a few years ago - even that was kind of funny because it was so absurd and awfully planned.
Nope, drivers licenses are still only issued by the state, however I do register my cars through my tribe for a cheaper price and (imho) a better looking plate. Our CDIB cards are just that proof that you are a member of a tribe and to what degree your lineage is (1/2, 1/4, etc)… some tribes though have reissued ID cards for the CDIB that can act as a “real ID” (like mine) but I’ve yet to try to use it that way as my drivers license is more than enough for that situation. I can also use it as a secondary ID for i9, loans, etc but I don’t think it can use as a primary on those (usually driver license, passport, and birth certs are for primary)
Well, that’s some really interesting inside info. Thanks a million. Lemmy is really the shit: I’m just a rando thousands of miles away. And yet I still get quality answers to my naive questions. Wonderful; thank you!
From what I can see, fraud requires intent, so if these whackadooos actually believe it's valid, then it wouldn't be fraud, but would still violate some other law that doesn't require intent (similar to how manslaughter and murder both result in someones death but murder basically requires intent and manslaughter doesn't).
The intent is about whether you intended you pass off an invalid form of ID as valid though? Just because you believed it was valid doesn’t stop it from being fraud
It gets funky ... from what I'm finding (I found more, but this was the easiest and it comes from a legit looking location), there is such a thing as negligent fraud in CIVIL law, but even that requires that you to have not had reasonable reasons to believe it to be true. I would argue that they're idiots and should have known better, but, I can't say that I'd win that argument in a courtroom (if I somehow found myself there, lol).
On the criminal side, from what I'm seeing they basically all require some form of intent, but 'fraud' at a criminal level doesn't seem to exist, it's all different legally defined types of fraud.
Either way, you'd still be guilty of driving without a valid license whether you thought you had one or not, it's just giving an invalid 'license' over to the officer wouldn't necessarily have been fraud.
Nah, judges don’t put up with sovcit bullshit. Depending on who is doing the case(if the company they tried to scam is, it will be civil, whereas if they called the police to deal with it, it could be criminal), if they get a judges oversight, they’re fucked.
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