OC I think that it is a good thing that Kbin got "locked down" behind CloudFlare and unfederated as we settle in.

I created an account on both Lemmy.World and here, and I have to say, I kind of wish that all the servers experienced something similar. Why?

Comparing the Magazine/Communities list between each instance I feel that on Lemmy things are so spread out unevenly because everyone flocked to the community with the most members, but still joined/created local communities but left them empty. These means that at this point it is still hard to figure out where to join and where to call home, community-wise.

To me, Kbin's lock down basically forced us to create local magazines and start building them. That means, that regardless of what happens after the lock down is over we will have well established magazines here that we can call home while also joining the conversation on other servers across the fediverse. For people that are still trickling in, it makes it easier for them to find the subreddits they left behind on their home instance.

This lets Kbin.social be somewhat self-sufficient for those that aren't into the Lemmy side of the fediverse, as I know some people have complained about Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad.

It's going to be exciting around here once we are finally able to explore. This just feels like the starter zone where all the newbies can gather, safe from the outside world.

roofuskit,
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14 hours later, the floodgates have opened!

missingno,
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My biggest concern is small niche hobbies. There might be three people who share my interests on kbin and seven more scattered on other servers, if we can't find each other it'll be hard to do things on kbin alone.

Federation doesn't backfill, so it's going to be rough as most content posted during this blackout will never reach other servers afterwards, nor will theirs reach ours. So I'm actually holding off on trying to do more with the subs I want to set up until everything is running full steam again. I hope this doesn't last too long.

maythebananabewithyo,
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Hmm. I honestly didn't realize that. That's interesting. You would think that it would just pop the community up and what is there is there, but I can also see how that would be the case, as well. Thanks for informing me of that tidbit.

lifeishard, (edited )

From this and other posts I’ve seen on Kbin, I get the feeling that, a lot of people here(coz I’ve only seen these kinds of posts on kbin) don’t want decentralization deep down. They just wan a “safe corner” and take other federated communities as enemies. Why does it gotta be like that? Why can’t we just grow together?

maythebananabewithyo,
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That’s not really what I meant. I think it’s great to decentralize. However, I think that right now everyone in the federated side of things are all flocking to one community on one server, which I get is supposed to happen. But my point really is, that leaves a lot of servers with barren wastelands of communities, where here, once federated, we will have more options.

We can chose to move out to federated communities, but we can also kick it on our home instance for those that would rather do that. It makes things a bit more inclusive imo. That’s all.

I’m all for getting the party started and connecting to communities all over the place. That’s why I prefer Kbin to begin with. Once it’s rolling it connects to everything, not just Lemmy. Which is super fantastic. I’m really excited for the walls to come down in the next few days.

lifeishard,

Hey sorry if my previous post sounded off. English is not my native tongue and I was on mobile so I'm afraid that it sounded aggressive.

I get what you're trying to say but I don't necessarily agree with that. Sure, it'll help magazines here to grow more than the lemmy's one, but imo the communities should spread thin; and we should provide equal opportunities for everyone to grow steadily, ensuring that when one community becomes rouge, the risks associated with it, let's just say, negative consequences, are minimized.

I'm having a hard time conveying my thoughts. So, I'll stop with this comment. :(

maythebananabewithyo,
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And again I agree with you lol. It’s not how you are explaining things, more so that I think I’m sucking at explaining them myself. You are explaining things well, which is why I can agree with you.

So, my thoughts on this are, again based around a strong home instance. For example, say the biggest community for a certain topic is on a server that gets unfederated. The users from our server will know that they can always fall back on the magazine here and not worry about it disappearing.

Which ties into your point of minimizing consequences. That said, the points you are making are exactly how I feel, but maybe a tiny bit different in their approach. I hope that makes sense, English is my first language and I still suck at explaining thing haha.

Inamin,
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my only worry is that kbin gets left behind so to say. If we're just on our own over here, and the federated instances are all flourishing, getting big communities growing.

Lells,
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Once federation comes back on, though, we have reflected access to all those communities, and they have access to all of ours. The communities can see each other. Or am I missing something fundamental here about the fediverse? It's a new concept for me.

Habnab,

You're correct, when federation is working it doesn't really matter which service/instance you're on, you can see and interact with content from them all.

effingjoe, (edited )
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Edit: As @habnab has pointed out, my numbers may be misleading, rendering my stance pretty useless, haha

I actually was thinking the opposite. kbin.social had more users than all of lemmy combined ^1-- I think my concern is more that the rest of the fediverse is going to look too quiet because kbin.social isn't federating right now. Couple that with the technical issues here at kbin.social (that seem mostly resolved right now) and it could turn someone off to the fediverse.

^1:

  • kbin.social has 128601 users. ^2
  • all of lemmy has 121714 users. ^2

^2 Note that there are certainly duplicates here, and user != active user.

Habnab,

Those stats are wrong, it's counting users from other instances/services, these are the actual stats for kbin.social: https://kbin.social/nodeinfo/2.0

25312 users.

Way below lemmy.

effingjoe,
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Interesting. Why do you suppose the status page and that page you linked are so off? Could they be using different metrics? Like created account vs active user?

Habnab,

The stats page you linked counts users from other instances/services which have been synced here, it's a bit silly.

effingjoe,
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That is definitely pretty misleading. Thanks for taking the time to sort me out.

Habnab,

Yeah, I assume it's probably not misleading on purpose, it's just a new platform with some quirks still.

NP.

Kierunkowy74,
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MAU of kbin.social alone is 25393, while MAU of entire Lemmy is 20305
Above Lemmy in monthly users.

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    effingjoe,
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    If you need this then I think you're in the wrong place and others with this mindset will end up going back to reddit.

    This is not a helpful take. Let's not try to gatekeep, okay?

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    cloaker,

    Inclusivity is only a good thing.

    effingjoe,
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    Right, but telling people they don't belong here is going to make people think they don't belong here. If there's less content to interact with, there will be fewer interactions; fewer interactions will make this place look (be?) dead. It's the same reason I can't get all my friends and family on Signal instead of (blech) SMS. They want to be where the people are. I much prefer something using ActivityPub and federated than something not, but I also want content to interact with. If I don't get that here, I'll go elsewhere.

    So, let's try not to tell people they don't belong here, okay?

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    effingjoe,
    effingjoe avatar

    It looked like the guy was just stating a concern in relation to the rest of the fediverse, not comparing the fediverse to reddit. It might have been appropriate to suggest that he go to another, federated, instance running kbin or lemmy (or whatever else is out there haha) while things here get sorted. I have accounts all over the damn place.

    Habnab,

    Because big communities have many people and thus more content and likeminded people to form communities?

    kitonthenet,

    Because I want to talk with people on m/Connecticut but there’s no one there

    ittu,

    I think having cloudflare will prevent scripts from scraping the site which will suck if people can't save content they like easily.

    Habnab,

    That's just silly lol.

    The fragmented communities across instances will sort themselves out, people will just subscribe to the active ones.

    Treedrake,
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    I don't think I agree. The federation should be a big part of kbin.social, and right now it's just centralized.

    maythebananabewithyo,
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    I 100% agree, I just think I may have worded it wrong. I’m super excited for when everything starts connecting. I prefer Kbin for that reason to begin with. It will connect with Lemmy, Mastodon, even Guppee (I think it’s called) where I already have an eye on a community I want to join there.

    I just think that having a strong home instance also promotes inclusivity for those who may not quite grasp that idea yet. They can still participate at their rate in their home instance and in time stretch their legs out. In servers that already are federated, they don’t have that option. They HAVE to go where everyone is flocking until things break up into smaller places. That can be daunting for those just getting on board, as many posts here have shared concern about.

    It’s a matter of having more options to interact how you want, where you want. If that makes more sense?

    giddy,
    giddy avatar

    Cloudflare is the only thing annoying me with kbin. I was scrolling through page 2 of my front page and, without clicking on anything, I got challenged. Once past the challenge it dumped me at the 404 page

    Syan, (edited )
    Syan avatar

    Is there an ETA for the lifting of Cloudflare? My SO can’t get verified because it requires him to use the desktop version of the site instead of any of the Android web browsers but when he goes to attempt verification it sends a mobile verification instead of the desktop verification that Cloudflare is asking for. I’ve been loving kbin but it’s not a place I can call home until my SO is able to participate.

    zalack,
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    What browser is your SO using on Android? I'm using Firefox on a Google Pixel and it's passing the challenges fine.

    qscbjop,

    That is weird. I'm posting this very reply from the Android version of Firefox.

    Jamie-Hayes914,

    To add to others just as a dataset point; I'm accessing fine through Chrome on Android 13.

    To then validate I just tried for the first time through Edge and that worked fine too.

    Is your SO running anything different to 'stock'? Not that it should matter, of course, but it might help trying to narrow down why the issues are happening for them and not others. For ref. I'm on the most 'stock' setup you could imagine: Pixel 6 as it came out of the box.

    adrian,
    adrian avatar

    Assuming that Cloudflare will be removed along with restoring federation then it'll be "soon": https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/15601/kbin-a-few-quick-announcements

    Lemonstrudel,

    DuckDuckGo didn't work for me but I haven't had any issues with Firefox on Android mobile

    brownpaperbag,
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    To further add data/input, I'm on a Pixel 6 and have no issues using kbin on Chrome or DuckDuckGo.

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