Jilanico,
@Jilanico@lemmy.world avatar

Bummer :( bad actors ruining it for everyone.

So what does this mean for lemmy.world users? Can we still seamlessly see beehaw communities but not post/comment?

As for beehaw users, I assume we and our communities simply do not exist, right?

PabloDiscobar,
PabloDiscobar avatar

The content of an instance is copied to another instance as soon as users request it and if both instances are federated

As for beehaw users, I assume we and our communities simply do not exist, right?

Don't say "we". We don't know who you are unless we hover on your username and I guess mobile users cannot even do it anyway.

cosima_takeyama, (edited )

My mobile client (Liftoff!) shows it in their post username. They’re on Lemmy.world. It was also readily apparent from the context.

JohnDClay,

What bad actors? I didn't see anything. I thought maybe it was a traffic thing?

Jilanico,
@Jilanico@lemmy.world avatar

The bullet points in beehaw's announcement mention bad actors, trolls, and unvetted users.

Shortcake,
Shortcake avatar

is the sign up process on lemmy "unvetted"? can you just make an account? here you have to sign up with email and verify it within 1 hour or it won't work until Ernest allows it lol

You could imagine people abusing unvetted sign ups to troll or whatever

Jilanico,
@Jilanico@lemmy.world avatar

Depends on the instance, as far as I know. Some require a short written intro, some require email verification, some let you sign up without even an email.

Shortcake,
Shortcake avatar

how is it where your account was made at lemmy.world?

Jilanico,
@Jilanico@lemmy.world avatar

Just email verification. A troll can make a throwaway email, verify it, and they're in.

lixus98,
lixus98 avatar

And not only on lemmy.world, they can make a troll account wherever they want

Jilanico,
@Jilanico@lemmy.world avatar

Heck, a troll could spin up their own Lemmy instance.

Shortcake,
Shortcake avatar

Very true. But they could defederate that too. I have tried to set up an instance of Lemmy andkbin and it's not the easiest.

One user mentioned that they racked up 2 gb of data in 2 minutes of use. I'd imagine the overhead for maintaining an instance is huge over time

Jilanico,
@Jilanico@lemmy.world avatar

All Lemmy instances would have to defederate from the troll instance to truly contain it, no? As for overhead, some trolls rove in packs. But still you do make a good point for the lone troll 👍

Shortcake,
Shortcake avatar

And you're right about everyone degenerating from the one troll. Hope it doesn't happen but it's good to know we have admins and mods who care

BobQuasit,

I can't speak for other instances, but Beehaw requires a convincing explanation of why you feel that you are right for Beehaw and Beehaw is right for you.

shepherd,
shepherd avatar

Huh, interesting. Kbin.social just required an email confirmation.

So they're manually approving each user at beehaw then? That explains why their communities seemed small. They're managing ongoing mod work by having a much higher initial workload. Neat!

WorseDoughnut,
WorseDoughnut avatar

"convincing" is a stretch. I wrote like 2 fluff lines about nothing and they approved the account.
It's kind of silly to think that a bunch of trolls couldn't do the same and join the site very easily. They're essentially trusting their users to pinky promise to tel the truth on the application lol.

Mogster,
Mogster avatar

Even this requirement is enough to deter what I imagine is the vast amount of trolls. If people act up after being approved, they get banned.

Shortcake,
Shortcake avatar

we can still see and interact with both. Ernest has not defederated with them at this time so we should have few issues. As a community on this instance we need to use this platform in good faith to assure we arent banned/defederated with

Jilanico,
@Jilanico@lemmy.world avatar

When you say "we" do you mean lemmy.world folks? I see you're from kbin 🤔 who is Ernest?

CodingAndCoffee,
@CodingAndCoffee@lemmy.world avatar

ernest@kbin.social is the creator of kbin and admin of kbin.social

And yes that user probably thought the comment above them was also on kbin

McBinary,
McBinary avatar

I think they meant kbin. We only just started seeing federated posting, so it's catching lots of us by surprise when people are responding from, and about, other instances.

lixus98,
lixus98 avatar

This is just amazing to see, this type of communication between users.

Habnab,

This is why we need instances to be displayed along the username lol

Shortcake,
Shortcake avatar

The others read it right. I thought you were from kbin when I commented. So yes now that beehaw split from lemmy.world you can't see (or maybe it is just interacting with) any of their content from your current instance.

Jilanico,
@Jilanico@lemmy.world avatar

So I did some experimenting. Maybe the defederation hasn't happened yet because I just commented on a post in beehaw's technology community. I was also able to see beehaw posts in my search results and also requested to subscribe to one of their communities.

arkcom,
arkcom avatar

You can check the actual post on beehaw.org. Once the defederation happens, you will be able to post and think all is well, but it doesn't actually leave your server.

Jilanico,
@Jilanico@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, well that's not confusing at all haha

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