utopify_org,
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Because of the recent events on I've created a page to get some support to fix what will happen on August 8th.

My plan is to create an advanced chat for the uotpify.org community (~5,000 people) and to keep providing high quality challenges on Habitica. More information on the Liberapay page: https://liberapay.com/utopify.org

This will be a lot of work and I hope for some

I provide challenges for about 6 years on Habitica for free, but it took a lot of time to write programs automating a lot of work (anti-cheat), scanning the chat for challenge participants, processing challenge data and creating high score lists, announcing new challenges, winners of challenges, etc. Now, that chats and guilds will be removed on Habitica, there will be even more work and the motivation is not really high, if a company destroys it within a week what you built up over several years.

Liberapay was the only solution I found, which is and fits the values for what utopify stands for. If you know others/better, please name them.

I appreciate every Cent and thank you for your support 🙏

My problem with money donations are always, that not trustworthy companies have to be used. Currently I use , but is supported by Liberapay, too.

Is it necessary to have a Stripe account or is PayPal enough? Because reading the privacy policy of them makes me a little bit dizzy and if it can be avoided, I really want to avoid it. But if people will say, they want to donate, but only with Stripe, I would create a Stripe account.

kris,
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@utopify_org have you already decided what chat system to use? I am in advanced stages of integrating accounts with and plan to host a https://movim.eu client along side our https://slrpnk.net Lemmy instance. I would be happy to help out with setting that up if XMPP is an option for you as well.

utopify_org,
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@kris I tried XMPP the last weeks, too, but I had some problems with it.

The biggest problem was, that I couldn't create an encrypted public place, but that's how the keys work there. Only invitations were possible.

But without encryption it would be possible to join the room without invitation.

My problem with chats is, that valuable information gets lost. Every time someone posted something useful in the chat, I had to manually save it. With a forum this isn't the case. It will be saved forever and with a threaded system like lemmy or reddit, the valuable stuff would go up, because people would upvote it, which is a really good system.

And I couldn't figure out how to make advanced configuration, like a word filter, but maybe I had a bad client for it. I tried Gajim for Linux, but I didn't find it good. The Gui just looks like it is 20 years old and there are weird concepts.

I tried IRC the last weeks too, but ditched it, because admins/mods can't delete messages and because my community has young people, too, it is a no-go.

I might stay with forum only, but still don't know if I stay with lemmy or not? 😕

kris,
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@utopify_org end2end encrypted public rooms do not make much sense IMHO, and you can make rooms invite only on XMPP without e2ee. I think you might have just misunderstood the settings.

Are you sure you used the latest version of Gajim? I think it looks pretty modern now; not so far from Discord. But Movim or Dino.im might be the more accessible clients for most people.

utopify_org,
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@kris

Yeah, it's possible that I've misunderstood stuff, because the last 3 weeks I worked every day to set up something usable and had not much sleep 😕

It can be that it was an older version of Gajim.

I use MX Linux and I think even debians backports had an older version.

utopify_org,
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@kris If I get it correctly, public rooms without invitation and without encryption are possible or is even the only way to get public rooms.

btw. I use Gajim 1.3.1and the newest is 1.8.1. So you're right! It is waaaaay too old. I'll try it over flatpak.

kris,
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@utopify_org yes you can have have public rooms with and without invitation. e2ee rooms work much better with invitation which is why most xmpp clients require it for such rooms.

lutindiscret,
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poke @John_Livingston who work on AP/XMPP integration

@kris @utopify_org

lutindiscret,
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@utopify_org have you considered @matrix?

Also https://discourse.org is a popular forum software which now comes with a integrated chat: https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-chat/230881

utopify_org,
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utopify_org,
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After more than 2 weeks of work, the official instance of utopify.org is online: https://lemmy.utopify.org/

It took way to much time, but I wanted to be sure it is the right thing and that everything works even better than before in the old utopify.org guild chat on And after a lots of struggles, it looks like it is usable, now.

The new lemmy instance covers topics like and and everything what is connected to it. I will create a lot of communities the next weeks and almost every I provided on Habitica will be accessible publicly there, too. (And I will announce them on Mastodon).

It should be a safe space to focus on important topics and define fulfilling goals, create a habit to work on them and to reach them in an efficient way, even if the "All Feed" is activated, which can be distracting very fast, because it shows federated posts. I recommend to stay in the "Local Feed".

I've put so much energy, time and money in a self-hosted Lemmy instance, because what happened on Habitica was the last time that a company will be able to destroy the utopify community.

We had a healthy routine to set goals, have a sustainable mindset, motivate and inspire others and all was gone within a short time. This time the plan is, that it will stay for much much longer and that all experience will be saved and can be shared by everyone :)

The Lemmy instance is free of GAFAM spyware (Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft) or any trackers/ads and it runs on a private server and WE DON'T FEDERATE WITH (, , )

If you want to support utopify.org, you can do this over liberapay: https://liberapay.com/utopify.org

Every cent is appreciated and helps to keep everything running :)

kris,
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@utopify_org sounds excellent! I'll have a look and start cross-posting a bit to our instance on https://slrpnk.net which I believe has quite a bit in common with your goals.

utopify_org,
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@kris Please wait a second.

I figured out there are problems with federation.

I played around with Lemmy the last days and broke it several times. And I had to reinstall it.

Now, the posts with the very first ids don't federate anymore and different (dead) versions are in the fediverse.

I have to figure out a way to get it federated correctly, because were is nothing more annoying than people commenting on your posts, but you don't know it and have no chance to read it, because other instances have ghost data. Here is a post with some examples: https://lemmy.ml/post/3708866

If I can't solve this problem, I might install a minimalistic system and not federate at all: https://veganism.social/

Maybe you know a modern forum software, which has an api, like rest?

Everything would work with Lemmy, but the last 2-3 weeks it had so many issues, that I think it will just cause a lot more problems than it solves.

kris,
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@utopify_org yes reinstalling from scratch sadly leaves those ghosts behind on other instances and there isn't much you can do about it. But for new instances it more or less solves itself over time as new posts will federate correctly again AFAIK.

I would say stick with Lemmy, but otherwise Flarum is quite nice as well and has an extensive API and easy to use plugin system.

utopify_org,
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@kris Thank you so much that you mentioned Flarum here.

The last weeks I've worked with Flarum and it's a really good software. So good, that I abandoned Lemmy and stick with Flarum: https://veganism.social/

Lemmy did too much problems and the last problem gave me enough to stop working with it.

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