To boot a normal OS sure, but anything small enough to fit in registers/cache could do without RAM. That’s still some form of working memory though, so it’s probably not what they meant.
You could build something RAM-less if you only need the thing to process real-time events like some signal processing with only 1 pass (also see: tons of FPGA and DSP applications)
Yes I would count cache as a type of RAM. Also I don’t think the cache hierarchy would actually work without main memory as it’s foundation in a lot of cases. They are designed to have memory to map to. It would also be difficult in some systems to coordinate between cores as not every system has shared cache between all cores.
I recently installed openwrt in a banana pi, and it’s so cool to see this distro being mentioned around. It’s definitely a different linux experience, even after using linux for more than a decade.
Glad for you to enjoy it) i’m too planning to buy and solder 32MB rom chip on all my old routers and build openwrt for them to revive them and i already bought 64MB ram chips that laying around waiting for their time, it would be cool to build mesh network between all my family, also connect all of routers to vps with vpn and pihole installed
That’s really interesting. Are those routers already supported by the project, or are you going to port yourself? Maybe you could document the process and post it somewhere, ifyouh have the time ;)
Yes, I’m planning to port) though i didn’t ported openwrt before, i have confidence that i will do this with usual “fuck around and find out” (push through with relative documentation and trial and error), after all this is how newbies learn how to use open source projects, back in the day, 8 years ago, i started using linux that way, where to post it documentation though? When i do it I’m going to post it
I certainly will) just ordered 10 w25q256 rom chips, 5 ram chips of 64mb already laying around in my electronic components bin though i ordered another 5 to make it even, thank you for motivation, i planned to order rom chips in next year and do this don’t know when, and decided to do this thanks to your response, I’ll save you and dm you when i do this, since parcel going to move for a month and I’ll do my first ports beside university, job and apartment renovation, it’s probably going to be finished around autumn, or summer if I’m lucky
Such an up and down though. I have an ancient epson scanner that cannot be used on modern windows, but I just installed the driver on linux and everything has been amazing.
Not quite that old, it is connectet via USB-B. Windows drivers only exist for 32 Bit systems, on linux the drrivers come in a deb package that works on modern installations.
Makes even less sense. 20 year old usb Epson flatbed scanner here that plugs into any win10/11 system and works without any fiddling, and that’s generally consistent with any usb hardware on Windows. I’m not saying linux isn’t a good solution to get problematic old hardware working, but let’s be real here.
He might have oversimplified to assume it was the 32-bitness that is the problem. Could be an ancient Windows Driver Model version that is no longer supported. Could have been that there were no signed drivers, or at least no drivers that are signed in a way that would pass today.
The thing is that Windows banks on extended binary driver compatibility for running “old” hardware, but breaks that compatibility ever so often, and they don’t have first-party investment in drivers for hardware and third-parties would eschew standard multiple device drivers that would have worked fine in favor of their own branded driver/app experience. In Linux, mostly those devices get covered by generic multi-vendor drivers that are better maintained.
Nah hardware drivers or support for certain hardware is still a thing. I mean compared to 5 years ago it isn’t but compared to windows it still happens sometimes
Look I’ve been in the situation where I’ve had to compile a modern kernel for Ubuntu so that my devices work, my stupid fault for running Ubuntu though.
Someone gave me an 8 year old laptop to clear down. So I figured I’d swap in an SSD and put Linux on it.
Damn thing wouldn’t even boot. Wasn’t even that bad a spec machine. 6GB RAM should have been plenty. Shame really, was actually looking forward to seeing how far it had come in the last ten years or so.
Yeah, very odd. A few weeks ago, I retired a computer that had 4 GB of RAM that was doing server duties, running Debian. It was doing a great job until I tried running a virtual machine on it (for Home Assistant); that was just killing the poor thing. The processor was a Core 2 Quad that was introduced in 2008, so I got plenty of life out of that setup.
6gb ram is plenty, especially for a lightweight distro like antix or slax.
From AntiX:
It should run on most computers, ranging from 256MB old systems with pre-configured swap to the latest powerful boxes. 512MB RAM is the recommended minimum for antiX. Installation to hard drive requires a minimum 7.0GB hard disk size.
I did the opposite. After one of the big updates, Windows 10 decided it was no longer going to work with the Vista-era drivers for an old Core 2 Duo laptop. To be fair to Microsoft, was I pretty impressed when I initially installed Windows 10 and it accepted those ancient drivers without any complaints on a laptop that was 10 years old at that time.
So I instead installed Manjaro and everything worked just fine.
No but I am looking for a new laptop and this time I’ll definitely spent more time checking Linux compatibility.
My previous thinkpad worked fine out of the box, but my current laptop is an HP Omen, that I mostly selected for the price to performance ratio. But I immediately learned that Linux compatibility sucked. Like not being able to boot an Ubuntu usb drive (without messing with the boot parameters).
Yeah before getting my current laptop I looked into the Linux compatibility. I went Thinkpad though this time and it honestly works amazingly. I can’t use all the features (fingerprint mostly) but thats moreso because my setup doesn’t have any way to rather than support not existing. And biometric ID can be less than useless when used as the sole security measure, such as unlocking your phone with your fingerprint. If someone wants the data on that device bad enough, they now have a means to get it.
And in response to XKCD 538, good luck getting me to clearly say my complicated ass password correctly after being beaten lmao. If I could I probably would
Yeah WiFi seems to always be the biggest pain in the ass, and it’s still way easier than it was 15 years ago.
Haven’t had a single laptop with an issue, personally (though I only have bought Lenovo laptops in the past 7 years or so, but in that time I’ve bought 3). I’ve got one (really cheap) WiFi dongle I’ve had on my HTPC that had been a pain. Had I taken the time to choose the other really cheap one that had a different chipset, it would’ve worked out of the box. Oh well.
Not particularly relevant. The only TPM that counts is TPM2, which was 2014 for the specification. Not even all “TPM 2.0” implementations are considered sufficient. Plenty of devices even in 2019 were being built without a TPM2 that would qualify for Windows 11, in part because the industry didn’t know that it was about to be required, in part among those that tried not knowing their chosen implementation would still not qualify.
My friend, let me be that guy that says “that’s nothing!”. In 2002 (around kernel 2.14 I think it was) notebooks had no integrated wifi (at least not the second hand notebook I could afford, and it wasn’t cheap anyway). I had to buy a cisco pmcia wifi card from across the world and recompile the kernel to include wifi support (and the driver of course). I don’t remember why, but I remember that recompiling the kernel happened quite frequently. Maybe because I was distro hopping a lot or because there were quite (relatively speaking) kernel updates. Not good old days, but at least I learnt!
There was no DKMS back then (it appeared in 2003 and took a while longer to be adopted) so anything you wanted to add to the kernel and didn’t have a ready-made binary module for your exact machine and distro had to come as a patch + recompile.
You can use windows 11 without TPM. It's just not made easy for casual users.
I know this is linuxmemes and that this will be an unpopular opinion, but a lot of the complaints about windows I see linux users make, are based on a lack of knowledge. Sure, MS doesn't make it particularly easy, but linux isn't always particularly easy to install or get working well for casual users either. Whether it's linux or windows, a quick google goes a long way to solving most issues.
I'm behind the idea of GNU, but it's weird how so many linux memes could easily be turned into equally ill informed pro-MS memes. Obviously, MS isn't a nice company and I don't think anyone's a genuine MS fanboy, but still.
I find it annoying that the community pretends otherwise.
Someone goes on a forum with their laptop with an nvidia card and a wifi card no one's ever heard of, and more likely than not he'll be told it'll be easy to get linux running on it.
Hell, I was wrong. It's not just that a lot of linux users don't know much about windows, they also don't seem to know about the issues people can face with linux on some less or non-compatible hardware.
You can be a linux fan and admit that companies like Nvidia, Realtek or HP often don't give much of a shit about linux, but some pretend otherwise.
I don’t understand the Nvidia comment: NVidia produces Linux drivers for their cards, or at least used to. Did they stop? From a quick look at their website, I see something released in January for certain cards. And my experience has been that even the standard drivers work fine to at least get started.
So they are producing drivers for their cards, and I still don’t understand your comment. They’re not fully open source, which is a valid concern, but you said they “often don’t give much of a shit about linux”…they’re literally producing drivers for their cards for Linux, just like they do for Windows. I’m not sure what else you want them to do.
I went here and was able to find 64 bit Linux drivers for GTX 1080 Ti that were released as far back as January 24th of this year. I didn’t search other models but it’s clear that at least that 10-series card is being supported.
The way I understood the article, only some drivers were being open-sourced (and then only partially).
Idk, I had issues on Wayland with Nvidia and switching back to xorg works fine. About the only thing wrong was a lot of screen tearing in games after a driver update.
The live environment is for testing your hardware and trying things out. You’d be surprised how many things do work and you don’t need to nuke your system to find out. If it doesn’t work you just reboot and everything is back to normal.
Also I don’t even bother with figuring out printers on Linux. I’m almost certain they all universally work, some sort of Unix black magic if you ask me.
If your a Windows fan that fine but don’t pretend we don’t try to make it easy.
Also I don’t even bother with figuring out printers on Linux. I’m almost certain they all universally work
Almost.
And this is the problem. The linux community is basically an example of survivorship bias. People who had no significant issues or were able to solve them are understandably fans. People who ran into a weird issue that they couldn't solve, are far more likely to give up or not be a member of the community anymore.
If your a Windows fan that fine but don’t pretend we don’t try to make it easy.
And then when someone does run into an issue, members of the community will often call them stupid. "They've run into an issue they can't solve. Linux is easy! That must mean they're stupid. I've never run into an issue I couldn't solve, linux is easy, that must mean I'm smart."
Vanity, it's the Devil's favourite sin.
It's a similar attitude you'll see in rich people, who overestimate how much talent was involved in their success, and underestimate how much luck was involved. "Why are they poor? They must be stupid. I've never had money issues, making money is easy if you're smart like me."
Here's the thing. I am genuinely a fan of the philosophy of GNU. Which is why I want everyone to be welcomed into the community, helped when they do run into issues, rather than to have them face snarky comments from linux users who think they know more than they actually do.
If this is the way you act when you ask for help I can’t blame them for not helping. There’s a lot of assumptions happening here and I really don’t appreciate it. I was being really light hearted about the situation, sharing my experience with Linux, and trying to start a constructive conversation. Sorry if the Windows thing rubbed you the wrong way I thought it was kinda funny and a little cheeky. Seriously didn’t think anyone cared about windows.
I really do feel for you if you ran into a few assholes on the Internet but that’s kinda just the Internet. There are plenty of good people willing to help out so instead of spreading the hate look for better more constructive conversations to have elsewhere.
I’m here to tell you now I don’t give a damn who uses Linux or why and I’m especially not interested in selling a fantasy or even bringing up the fact that I use Linux. Windows just got really annoying and Linux does what I need.
It really gets to me when someone gets on their soapbox and slaps labels on people without ever knowing them.
Also fuck hp and the drm cartridge thing. If you get the chance go gangsta on that thing like in office space. My sister got locked out of one of those printers after cancelling her ink refill subscription.
The same thing can be said about plenty of configurations and linux. Plenty of laptops or the wrong nvidia card, and you're likely to have to find a workaround too.
Hell, bypassing the TPM requirement is almost certainly easier than creating your own driver for an nvidia card or problemsolving wifi issues because your laptop's network card manufacturer doesn't give a fuck about linux users.
There are, in effect, hacks to get around the requirement. That is not the same thing as it not being required. You manage to get Windows 11 installed on a system without TPM, you’re not in a supported configuration and could at any time find yourself locked out of updates or even your system, and it’ll likely at least be a cat and mouse game.
Yep I know You can run Window 11 without TPM I even installed it once but here we are talking about recommended requirement(You just need a decent CPU on Linux)
Let's be real. It's a lie that linux's only requirement is a CPU. Wrong hardware, because some vendors don't support linux properly or at all, and linux isn't fun.
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