I don't understand Mastodon.

As far as I know, one of the headline features of microblogging networks is searching and following hashtags. On top of that, Mastodon (like Lemmy) tells users that it’s not important what server/instance you join, because of federation.

With Lemmy, I find it easy to search and interact with communities across all the federated instances. Chances are, people on my local instance (even if it’s relatively small) will have already interacted with popular communities for a given topic, so they will be easy to discover. However with Mastodon this concept seems totally broken – when I search a hashtag I want to see everything, and related posts might be spread out over hundreds of small servers for which, apparently, my small server has no content populated. With Lemmy, I understand that content gets populated on my local instance when somebody else on my instance has interacted with it before. I just don’t understand how this approach is feasible with for a system like Mastodon. Maybe I’m misunderstanding something, but it seems like the only way to have a reasonable chance of getting decent results for hashtag searches is to be on the biggest server?

Jerry,

RE: it seems like the only way to have a reasonable chance of getting decent results for hashtag searches is to be on the biggest server

Well, yes, and no. You can relay with other Mastodon instances and they will share there traffic with you so that people on your instance will have the same content as on their instances PLUS the traffic from all the other instances that are relaying with them as well. So, your server will see a ton of stuff. No shortage of stuff coming in

There's a number of good relays. I recommend these two at a minimum:

https://relay.infosec.exchange/inbox
https://bigrelay.social/inbox

In the Administration section, there's a Relay page where you can put these in.

For the first one, @Jerry is the person to contact if it doesn't enable for you. Not sure how many instances relay with him, but it must be a large number.

For the second one, which currently has 328 instances connected together, you can get more information at https://bigrelay.social/

Hope this helps

jnj,

Thanks. To clarify, my server would have to do this? I don’t run my own server, I just joined a fairly small one (I didn’t know it would matter).

Jerry,

Yes. Your server Admin would have to enable this on the server. They may not be aware that this is available or they may not want to use it because it does consume database and media space which they may not have available.

mosthated,
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I was also wondering this and found the following:

How to subscribe to a relayOnly instance admins can subscribe to a relay. In Mastodon you can do that by going to Settings > Administration > Relays. There you can enter the url of the relay - add "/inbox" at the end of it. Then you just have to wait for your instance to be accepted by the relay owners

Source: https://joinfediverse.wiki/index.php?title=Fediverse_relays&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop

Kichae,

Yes, relay subscription is done at the server level.

That's probably not really the issue, though. Hashtag search has been severely hampered following the Twitter migration by... People not using hashtags.

This is less a technical issue than it is one of the tool being designed by people who were trying to be an anti-Twitter, and it now bring populated by Twitter users.

The other microblogging platforms on the Fediverse have full text search. Give a Calckey or Akkoma instance a try.

hybridhavoc,
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@Jerry @jnj
You can also find more relays at https://relaylist.com

Gabadabs,
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What you need to do, is engage with people so that you're getting federated content from the instances they are on. It takes time, my strategy was to follow anyone I thought was remotely interesting, and then unfollow people I end up not caring much for until I had a nice curated, populated timeline. It definitely helps to not be on a tiny instance, but it's not necessary to be on big ones like mastodon.social.

Terminarchs,

This reflects my experience too. After a while, I managed to find interesting people to follow who sometimes “retweet” (forgot the Mastodon name for that) other interesting people which I can in turn follow. I now have a slow feed of varying quality and I barely visit it since joining Lemmy. Mastodon looks great if you join the same server with a large group of friends, follow eachother and use it like a group chat, but, like you, I have found it really difficult to set up an interesting feed for myself.

mosthated,
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I think retweeting is called boosting.

itmightbethew,
@itmightbethew@beehaw.org avatar

Same. I hear talk of the larger instances being muted by the smaller ones. I joined the OG instance (mastodon.social) thinking I'd get the most dynamic feed but it certainly doesn't feel that way. When I post it seems like shouting into void, at least compared to Lemmy bubble. Thinking of closing down my mastodon and just spending more time here

Rairii,
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@itmightbethew yeah, on mastodon it's definitely better to be on a smaller server rather than one of the big ones.

i can definitely understand about "posting into the void" especially on mastodon.social in 2023 with how big it is now.

w3dd1e,

I completely agree with you. I want to use Mastodon by the barrier to entry and use is just so high. I find myself closing the app as soon as I open it.

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