torpak,

I have never owned or operated a car and this doesn’t really make me want to.

A_Chilean_Cyborg,
@A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl avatar

Why they just can’t go to a car mechanic and like change that?

TIEPilot,

We have this issue in my industry. You have to have the (as we say) the golden code to unlock features of a device you already own. The DLC of bullshit.

Reddit_Is_Trash,

A lot of cars already have access ports made by third parties to flash ECU tunes on.

If cars like this become the norm, I’m sure we’ll see a lot more of these to bypass paywalls on your own cars

A_Chilean_Cyborg,
@A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl avatar

yeah, but why not just hack it?

nayminlwin,

IOTs are pushing us towards subscription hell-scape. We must demand dumb, non-connected machines and devices.

xthexder,
@xthexder@l.sw0.com avatar

I’m a hobbyist mechanic and I absolutely love how simple older vehicles are. There’s one wire for each thing. The door doesn’t need it’s own computer module like modern vehicles…

In my newest vehicle (a Ford truck), I pulled the fuse for the cellular modem, since I don’t need the manufacturer tracking my every move. Checking my tire pressure or fuel level from my phone is not a feature I care about. Remote start still works fine with the key fob.

There’s getting to be fewer and fewer new vehicles I would even consider buying because of all this interconnected nonsense.

joe_cool,

Considering “faster engine” means different tune on the exact same engine nowadays: not much has changed.
Fuck morons who pay this so the corps will continue to do this. They wouldn’t even consider it if people with more money than sense didn’t pay for it. Everything is enshittified until we live in Idiocracy.

Default_Defect,

What percentage of people do you suppose actually think they’re getting more by paying rather than getting less until they pay? I’m sure a large amount of it is people with enough money to not care, but surely some are just uninformed?

HeavenlyLlama,

At this point, if they can get away charging their customer each time they open and close the door, they would.

Addfwyn,

Aa, I see you are interested in both our Premium Entry and Egress packages? If you subscribe to both now for only $89.99 a month, you will get 200 entries AND exits from your vehicle for free, every month! That’s a distinct savings over the monthly cost of $49.99 for each package individually. Enjoy additional entries and exits for only $1 each, if you go over your limit.

AssPennies,

Terms Apply*

*Applicable double penalty for door usage during peak utilization periods, weekends, and holidays. Doors left open will accrue triple penalties after the first 30 seconds, doubling every 30 seconds thereafter. Any attempts to circumvent usage rules forfeits half of remaining door credits; attempts include but not limited to: climbing out windows, busting through walls like kool-aid man, suicide, etc.

yoz,

Thanks. Totally staying away from these shitty German cars.

bacondragonoverlord,

This might be an unpopular opinion but I think this is basically ok. I mean more power = more drain on the battery and thus they need to make more money to offset the possible increase in Warranty cases. Also this would only really affect a tiny little subset of Buyers.

Cybermass,

That is an unpopular opinion, you should post it in unpopularopnions

MeetInPotatoes,

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  • Contend6248,

    This is US only at the moment, i didn’t find any offering for EU

    MeetInPotatoes,

    Yeah, I was actually just wrong, I found an older article that said it would be against the law in Europe and there were no plans to try it there.

    SexualPolytope,
    @SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    It’s time to root cars, it looks like.

    marmo7ade,

    The venn diagram of “people who will root a car” and “people who own a $150,000 benz” is 2 circles on opposite sides of the solar system.

    slaacaa, (edited )

    I heard of a guy who tuned his already 500 hp Benz to get it over 600 (now he is under arrest in my country for street racing).

    They also do this a lot with BMWs, e.g. the 318i and 320i engine is the same, so if you just change/hack some software setting on the 318i, you can get more hp out of the same car.

    But these are of course the minority of people, and mostly targeting sport cars, not luxury sedans.

    jelloeater85,
    @jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

    My sides are in orbit…

    boonhet,

    They won’t do it themselves, they’ll pay for it. People already do it with brand new ICE cars, they get a performance package from a third party.

    Also in 10 years, that $150000 Benz will be a $15000 Benz and owned by someone a fair bit younger than the original owner, probably. Much more likely to get the controller flashed for additional power at that point.

    Contend6248,

    And lose all warranty? Nah rather buy a car from someone else

    BeardedBlaze,
    @BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world avatar

    Until they are all doing it

    marmo7ade,

    Yea all the 50 year old bankers who drop $100k on an electric benz will surely start rooting their cars tomorrow.

    RomeCallen,

    they will just pay a performance shop, its only a matter of time

    Stan,

    Most old people I’ve worked with in tech are pretty good at hacking shit.

    KingSnorky,

    We are getting closer to Mitch Hedberg’s vision of each car getting only 3 honks per month

    ritchie,

    India will have a real problem in a couple of decades… Or they will make their own models with unlimited lifetime honks.

    sounddrill,

    Lmao

    fietsbel,

    way above my paycheck, the paywall it is, the car also, but who cares… time to stop buying cars, and use the public transport and bikes… better for the environment anyway.

    JustAManOnAToilet,

    Have people completely forgotten about the fucking plague we just had? I’ll take my own box to drive around in, please.

    GreaterDane,

    Cycling, riding scooters, and walking outdoors are still fine, though. And requiring masks while riding transit was fairly effective. We need much stronger enforcement of masking and not riding with symptoms, though, in future pandemics.

    Your personal multi-ton box degrades the environment, globally and on the streets it drives through, even if pollutes less by using electricity.

    Bene7rddso,

    Too bad that Mercedes makes buses too

    Contend6248,

    It is the right decision for some mass transportation, but you can’t make cars obsolete with public transportation. Especially outside major cities.

    ConfirmingMoose,

    I would be fine with a slot for my debit card and a huge BOOST BUTTON that cost like a dime to use for 10 s3conds.

    lichtmetzger,

    Only if the navigation system starts to talk to you about family in Vin Diesel’s voice.

    ConfirmingMoose,

    “Ride or die, remember?”

    “Your Card Has Been Declined”

    “Ride it is.”

    KingSnorky,

    Family

    gon,
    @gon@lemmy.world avatar

    Hello everyone. Cars suck, we need to mostly ditch cars.

    RGB3x3,

    Public transportation FTW.

    But here in the US that will literally never happen.

    GreaterDane,

    Don’t let the opposition discourage you, get involved and get even. Your city certainly has a transit advocacy group or three. Cleveland Ohio, of all places, is investing heavily in public transit, so your city has no excuse!

    sp00nix,

    My “city” has a scattered population of just over 700 people.

    grue,

    Although I enthusiastically agree, that’s a little off-topic to be the takeaway from this particular kind of article.

    In this case, the issue to be outraged about is that the corporations are violating our property rights in order to engage in illegal rentiership. As owners, we have the right to modify our own property, including to unlock the full potential of the physical machine, and no amount of DRM or the DMCA anti-circumvention clause should be allowed to change that!

    That doesn’t need any kind of new “right to repair” or anything either; it is inherent to the definitions of what “property” and “ownership” are! I mean sure, we should impose requirements for products to be better designed for repairability and have documentation and spare parts available, but lots of people seem to think what Mecedes etc. are doing is currently within their rights, and that’s just crazy talk. These things aren’t legitimate subscriptions; they’re a protection racket! Trying to hold capabilities hostage that the device owner already paid for (by virtue of having bought the physical device) is literally criminal and company executives ought to be going to prison for it.

    Anyway, to get back to addessing your comment: even if we do fix the zoning code to make cities walkable (which we definitely should do, by the way) and cars become a niche product that only rural people and folks who have to drive around as part of their job have, it still doesn’t fix this issue because (a) it’s important to protect the rights of owners even of niche products, and even more importantly (b) cars are hardly the only product category that manufacturers are trying to pull this shit in anyway.

    TL;DR: stopping the erosion of ownership and fixing car dependency are orthogonal issues, this article is concerned with the former, and your suggestion only addresses the latter.

    xhieron,
    @xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

    Hear, hear. This isn’t a case of Mercedes selling an upgrade. It’s more akin to selling the car pre-booted and then demanding a monthly payment to remove it under threat of returning to re-apply it if a payment is missed. It’s absolutely a protection racket. Sure would be a shame if something happened to those fancy features we installed.

    The good news is that the companies who will float this first are the ones most likely to do business with politicians, and unfortunately I’m cynical enough to believe that the best way to get regulation in place is to personally inconvenience the decision-makers. I hope that results in action.

    If it doesn’t, well, the next step is self-help. If we’re changing the definition of private property, it’s only so long before people begin questioning whether there’s any point in having private property at all.

    gon,
    @gon@lemmy.world avatar

    Damn ok. Yeah I get what you mean.

    I don’t think the problem is the companies necessarily though, or the erosion of ownership… The problem is ownership, private property and private production. As long as we’re dependent on private companies making our means of transportation, and as long as we insist on owning them, the more they will have leverage over what we can and can’t do with them. The only solution, in my view, is to remove ownership entirely, and simply provide a product to the public, that is shared and used and “owned” by the community rather than the property of an individual. Hence public transport.

    Fundamentally I suppose the fix wouldn’t be very different regardless of the perspective on the issue.

    Still, companies do have a right to do this, at this time, and I think it’s dangerously delusional to deny it. It’s indeed “crazy talk”, as you put it, but that’s because capitalism is a crazy system that shouldn’t be allowed to continue! Protect the rights of the people by providing them with their rights, rather than having them buy them from Mercedes.

    grue,

    Still, companies do have a right to do this, at this time, and I think it’s dangerously delusional to deny it.

    On the contrary: there’s a very important distinction that I’m trying to make between an entity having the “right” to do something and merely being able to “get away with” doing it. The framing of issues matters, and I believe ceding control of said framing to the neofeudalists is far more dangerous than being accused of “delusion” for pointing out the way things are supposed to be instead of accepting the corrupt status quo at face value.

    gon,
    @gon@lemmy.world avatar

    Ok, I think you have a point there.

    I still think it’s meaningless though. “A fine is a price”. If they can get away with it, they can do it. I don’t think there’s much of a point in relying on legislation to determine whether something should be done or not. Fundamentally, whether they have a right to it or not, they shouldn’t do it. Meaning they shouldn’t have that right, if they do.

    “The way things are supposed to be” according to who? Capital? The law, written by capital?

    gronjo45,

    To what extent could companies wreck my freedom in cars even more? I have heard of heated seats being pay walled, despite the technology to heat the seat being installed in the factory… Computer controlled locking systems where if my key fob breaks I can’t get into my car, or worse, the electronic control system fails and I’m up shit creek without a paddle.

    As to education, how can I even learn to repair something like that? My ignorance makes me think soldering may be useful, but how can an individual have greater control on the freedom to repair and own their automobile. The generality of my question lays in my ignorance to the inner workings of most cars.

    Rodeo,

    You have to buy special $3000 computer handhelds that plug into the car and let you interface with it completely. Often you can only buy those with a business account direct from the manufacturer.

    You cand do a little bit with OBD II using a $10 Bluetooth dongle and free app. But that’s basically limited to reading and clearing codes.

    diskmaster23,

    What’s with Toyota’s TechStream? What is all that about?

    gronjo45,

    I got an OBD-II device for reading and clearing codes and at least I can snatch them from my vehicle. I haven’t heard of the dongle before, does it connect to the infotainment system and then allow you access to the underlying file system? I don’t want to brick anything doing that lol

    slaacaa,

    Everything is paywalled. I’m leasing a less than 2 years old BMW, and now everything is included (e.g. phone app, carplay, guarantee), but after a while these run out, and you have to pay for even navigation.

    This is also why I think it’s not worth to buy these cars, lease/rent it at the most. If you want to own smg, buy a reliable Jap/Korean option - when looking at used cars I’ve seen Mazdas hold their value incredibly (unlike the fancy German cars).

    gronjo45,

    Oh man… I grew up poor and couldn’t imagine my car’s daily functions spontaneously malfunctioning due to a stupid code you can’t control (reliably) as an end user. Having never had money to throw at solutions , I can’t imagine how horrible equity will be as time progresses with knowledge and understanding of these things.

    I’ll check out Mazdas! I’m in the market for a new car, but really anything that just is a “dumb” car. I don’t want the infotainment crap and paywalled everything, just let me repair my vehicle so I can afford to live :D

    Holzkohlen,

    Let’s build open source cars.

    TeddE,
    @TeddE@lemmy.world avatar

    I like the enthusiasm, but I have no idea how a community driven project would interface with the appropriate regulatory boards to perform the safety tests to make such a vehicle street legal.

    Even if we got a prototype through that, the organization would then have to take on the burden of ensuring every build lived up to the prototype, and that would almost definitely go against the spirit of being community driven.

    Obi,
    @Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

    At that point it’ll just be a company that doesn’t pay their people lol.

    RIP_Apollo,

    community driven

    I see what you did there.

    I’m getting a bicycle because I’m two tired of all these car puns.

    GreaterDane,

    I mean, there are car builder kits.

    The DIY urban transportation community has settled on an even more portable solution called the “e-bike.” It can tow a trailer of cargo or small kids, and makes city parking much easier.

    Gork,

    Or pirate name brand cars.

    You wouldn’t download a car

    HikingVet,

    Only due to logistical issues. Metal printers aren’t that good yet.

    boonhet,

    pirate name brand cars.

    Takes a one-time membership fee, but you’ll find just about anything on mhhauto.

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