if you want a decent browser, there is firefox and basically all its forks and brave
you shouldnt use brave if
you dont want to support google, as brave is based on chromium
you dont want to support the people behind it, as there are some people who say theyre bad people but i got no clue if its true
i dont like chromium so ill stick with firefox (and mullvad browser), even though im still technically supporting google since most of mozillas revenue is from google (though i believe it is better since its not software made by google)
Honestly, it’s mostly my comfort using chromium browsers (specifically chrome) for dev. I know the Firefox dev tools are way better than they used to be, but that’s one more thing to sink time into when I could instead just get things done lol.
Don’t be like them and generalize everything. Browsers are complex piece of software with many use cases. For mine for example Firefox works great without major issues. It might not be the case for you and that’s fine!
There are plenty of people without issues using FireFox (like me). That being said, I’m sure there are those that have issues, so no downvotes from me. It is however better to not generalize like that.
It’s literally not. I’ve seen multiple performance-impacting bugs that people mention, which is a bummer for those users… But none of them happen to me (Pixel 5, android 13) or plenty of other users. Insisting that FF is just hopelessly broken on Android is simply untrue.
It absolutely used to suck performance wise since I used an S4 for about 2 years. Since then, it’s been great. As someone who used to dislike the performance, and now loves it, even over chromium stuff, I can safely suggest your oversimplified opinion is without any real basis. Sucks is such a vague word, and I guess it stops you having to detail and rationalise your personal opinion.
It does seem slower on my Samsung Galaxy S10e, but I just downloaded it and as you said, there really isn’t a great alternative, so for now I’ll use it. I’m sure that someone will develop something better at some point.
Somehow it’s shit on 60Hz displays. My 120Hz display phone, it’s quite snappy. But on my older 60Hz display phone, it’s unnaturally slow. If your phone isn’t HRR, then maybe this is it? I don’t quite know wtf is wrong with it
Works just fine for me. Though it’s been a while since I used anything else, I don’t really have a frame of reference. That being said, I can install ublock origin and dark reader in firefox so I won’t ever use anything else on my phone.
I know that switching away from a Chromium based browser would be great, but Firefox just can’t compete with the Chromium bookmark system. That was actually the main reason I switched to Brave instead of Firefox a few years back, and from what I can see, Firefox still hasn’t changed anything about their bookmark-manager. :/
Right what platinum coated bookmarks are they using? Firefox syncs bookmarks, has them organized by folders, has a bookmarks bar, can pin them to the start page, idk what else they need
As I’ve stated in the other comment, I mainly ment the UI. But there is another feature I like to use, which is the window-specific bookmark manager. I usually keep my browser activities separated with different windows(e.g. one for youtube documentaries and one for learning). With the Chromium manager, I can have one manager-tab per window. That’s not possible with the Firefox manager. It’s a small thing, but hey, it’s convenient.
Then again, the bookmark manager wasn’t the only reason I chose Brave over Firefox. If I remember correctly, I had three reasons why I chose Brave in the end:
The bookmark manager - Reasons are stated here and in the other comment.
Brave Ads - The privacy respecting ads make my mind feel at ease when using an adblocker, as I’m still contributing something.
This one is the weakest one: Firefox just felt slower for me, to be honest.
I would’ve just put up with point three, but in order to leave the first two, Firefox would have to have other features I really want tu use. And that’s the problem - it doesn’t have those.
I probably should have specified that I meant the UI. You can do everything in Firefox, but for me, the Chromium UI just looks nicer, it’s “cleaner” for me, even if it comes at the cost of having the address-bar in a submenu, for example. Because I use the bookmark-manager quite often, that’s a majority points I consider. For 99% of the people, Firefox will do the job just as well as Chromium especially if you just use the bookmarks, not the manager. For some it probably looks even better. It’s just preference.
I like Firefox for Android. It has an extension to play YouTube videos in the background, and you can block ads using uBlock Origin. It also blocks ads on the mobile Twitter website, so I can avoid using those two shitty apps thanks to FF for Android.
I switched from bromite to firefox(with exactly those addons you mentioned activated) years ago because it just adblocks perfectly while bromitr had issues multiple times that were fixed only through updating the app.
I don’t know why it never occurred to me, while scrolling through ad-choked recipe blogs on my phone, that Firefox might have an ad block extension on mobile.
I just opened a post for Earl Grey cookies and I can actually read the damn recipe. You just changed my life. If I ever had kids I would name my firstborn after you.
It is slow sometimes but if I put battery restriction on every app and kill the heavier ones when I’m done, battery lasts me half a day easily(more if I don’t do more than check time)
Then maybe compiling the apk yourself is an option (assuming you’re familiar with linux)? The dependencies seem to be the same with chromium, so if you can build chromium, you can build cromite. Here is how to do that: …googlesource.com/…/android_build_instructions.md
I read about Google already making it deliberately more difficult for addons to block under-the-hood trackers; do some ads not slip through uBlock on Chrome already nowadays?
I don’t use uBlock. I use AdBlock. I also have a setting to let non-intrusive ads through, because that has an influence, even if a small one, on making the internet more tolerable for everyone else.
Before I turned that on, there were always some ads that slipped through on occasion. No biggie, there’s a manual block button. No adblocker is perfect.
I have one thing missing from Firefox that keeps me from permanently switching: vertical tabs. I know there’s ways of hacking it into FF, but nothing sustainable. I know it seems minor, but in Brave/Edge, it just works so damn well.
Because Firefox honestly used to be shit, especially in the early Phoenix/Firebird days, but now it isn’t anymore, and they just haven’t bothered to check it out again. The “killing all the existing extensions” thing really didn’t help matters either.
I agree it was a heavy blow when they announced that, I didn’t update for a few months, but man was it a nice fresh start, and I’m grateful that all the addons I had before have now made it over to the new system.
I admittedly didn’t use FF before it was FF, I think I got into it around probably 2006 or so, but it’s been great in my opinion ever since then.
I was really sour about the Mr Robot prank where they modified pages without informing the user. But weighing a prank gone wrong against the active goal of dicking over the internet I’ll take the well meaning pranksters.
Concerned no I think… But I am gonna guess you missing on some features and specially extensions but I might be wrong. Except on iOs since there you are missing on that anyway.
I’m willing to sacrifice some FOSS for convenience, as long as it’s reasonable. But in general I’m a strong supporter of open source and publish my own code that way.
Epiphany uses WebKit, but it doesn’t have working add-on support yet, so you will still have lots of ads and cookie banners.
I use it as a secondary browser if something doesn’t work in Librewolf, but for me the internet is pretty much unusable without “i (still) don’t care about cookies” and UBlock Origin, so it only works as a backup for me.
There are also some Browsers using QTWebengine which uses Blink (the core of Chromium (meaning technically not chromium itself)) like Qutebrowser and Falkon.
Pale Moon and Basilisk which are based on an old version of Firefox and diverged quite a bit.
Konqueror which uses KHTML (predecessor of WebKit (predecessor of Blink)).
NetSurf idk haven’t tried it.
Then there is stuff like Ladybird, which will crash all the time. Links, ELinks, Lynx, w3m, Links2 are text based. Discontinued Internet Explorer. Old versions of MS Egde. Old versions of Opera. Basically nothing else that is usable.
idk about OP but I use chrome because in Firefox I have to manually download my web history and send it to Google so they can log it for my security, Chrome streamlines this process and ensures Google has my data even if I mistakenly wonder onto a website they don’t have trackers on
Seems like they are pretty informed. Or are you just mad he’s calling out over zealous privacy advocates who ensure nobody will ever take them seriously because they bitched about TikTok for 5 years.
Let’s have a bit more of a objective discussion here:
Privacy advocates are trying to keep you from being transparent to corporations, law enforcement and criminals because they see the patterns that can lead to very bad outcomes. E.g. people being falsely targeted by ai face recognition that was on the news recently
„Stans“ are referring to people identifying with something. In the case of firefox, people identify with privacy and freedom. Those are elemental parts of democracy. The opposite side here is advocating on behalf of corporations who rake in billions in profit, buy up land and real estate, control markets and you can actually see those being subject to lawsuits both by the government and citizens for breaking the law, selling your data and going full send on their profits instead of caring about the communities they operate in.
So, the term „well informed“ is kind of self defeating here as gobbling up corpo koolaid is not really „informed“. It’s also the same that conspiracy theorists say. Actually listening to the arguments is what does the trick.
Privacy advocates are trying to keep you from being transparent to corporations, law enforcement and criminals because they see the patterns that can lead to very bad outcomes. E.g. people being falsely targeted by ai face recognition that was on the news recently
I don’t think that’s where it ends. If it was I think we’d mostly be on the same page. Constantly telling people to ditch services they enjoy such as TikTok, Facebook, Google, etc. Continued vague references to devices listening to you that really aren’t. Constantly pointing out targeted ads as something that most people really couldn’t care less. And if you say that, “you just don’t understand what the data can be used for”. It’s all highly condescending and created a weariness to the community. They’ve become vista UAC.
First, please drop the attitude because you‘re actively being condescending yourself atm.
Secondly, the argument itself becomes a problem here:
Constantly telling people to ditch services they enjoy…
„Constantly“ is a rhetorical overstatement. Nobody is constantly doing anything. You are annoyed and that is ok.
I honestly don’t care about tiktok and therefore have no opinion on its privacy issues except stuff I heard.
But from facebook I did download a package of my data since the gdpr forced them to comply and give users their data.
I used facebook a year or so when it was new and once every quarter since then.
The data consisted of most sites I visited before and after visiting facebook. Stuff I bought, stuff I looked at.
And that is not all. I‘m constantly getting scam mails referencing an old address of mine. Guess where this address (exclusively) is still noted. Correct, at facebook.
So, you absolutely don’t need to do anything. Just know that facebook (the others too but facebook the hardest) actively sells your userdata and behavioral data to make money.
They are actively being fined tens of thousands of dollars a day by european governments for „leaking“ userdata.
So, I‘m fine with anyone doing what they want. Just dont school me on privacy.
Rhetorical trick: You‘re misrepresenting what I said to make it sound illogical.
I never said there are only these. What I said is that there are strong arguments for privacy friendly software and people are actively trying to educate others on this topic.
You‘re also assuming someone is guilt tripping you, either because you actually have that wrong impression or to make it sound more problematic.
Nobody cares what browser you use. We shit on google, not on you. You‘re the one injecting themselves into this conversation and trolling people with fake „calling them out“ while you‘re the one using all kinds of techniques to bully your way to „being right“.
If you‘d actually compare arguments, you‘d have to give up so you don’t do it.
you‘re obviously not willing or able to use actual arguments in this conversation so I will have to opt out. I can recommend local bars where you can exchange your baseless aggression with others. Good luck.
@JokeDeity@HKayn, Tab groupings, PWAs, hibernate inactive Tabs, vertical tabs, casting on desktop, workspaces, compatibility with some webs, vertical tabs.... well, maybe with a ton of extensions..
@Coreidan, what if you need switching between several tabs, even if you can use to view them in Split Screen, in saved Workspaces? Open and close these every time? not viable. In Vivaldi no problem, even no RAM problems with mor than 100 tabs open (in extremis), if you want.
Do you realize how you’re sounding right now? Is this how you intend to convince people to give Firefox a try? Or are you just looking to start a fight?
Out of those who actually give a reason for this position, which is practically no one, it’s almost always “vertical tabs”. Apparently those people can’t use a search engine since there are multiple easily found extensions available that make FF do vertical tabs.
Then how about tab tiling, multi-level tab bars, workspaces, automatic session backups, sidebar panels, Spotlight-like global search, commands to toggle parts of the UI and custom toolbar buttons?
I can probably find an extension for most of these if I look hard enough, but then I’d have to worry about them being maintained and not sold out. At that point I’d rather use a browser that has all this built-in.
Most normal people don’t even know adblockers exist. Guys, if you’re going to convince people to switch away from Chrome, it won’t be on the grounds of protecting against some API or ads.
And spoiling Internet for the rest of us. None of us would have to go through this if more people used alternatives to chromium. No website would’ve accepted a 50% loss in visitors over accepting some companies special protocol
Exactly right. It requires seeing yourself as a part of a community vs. fulfilling our selfish interests at the expense of others.
Another example were the suburban PS5 buyers who bought from scalpers so “their kids” could have one, not giving any thought to the fact that they’re contributing to a system that excludes the disadvantaged (or, even worse, knowing but not caring).
The same people say “boycotts don’t work”. The facepalming here is hard. Welcome to the ad riddled future that you helped make because “people can use what they like” (because it’s being pushed by a huge corporate entity and they want you to use it so they can shove ads down your throat and you should laugh at people who would use anything different)
In this thread lots of uninformed people misunderstanding how the open source Chromium project works (or the difference between Chrome and Chromium). Vivaldi is a Chromium-based browser who frequently disable the parts of Chromium they don’t agree with.
This argument not to use anything Chromium is the same as if someone was fanatically opposed to using Linux Mint or Elementary OS because they’re based on Ubuntu, and Canonical bad.
I love Firefox as much as the next person, and probably do a 75% Vivaldi 25% Firefox split, but let’s not act like Google isn’t bankrolling Mozilla, because they account for 85+% of Mozilla’s revenue, and if Google does implement this Web DRM and if it is widely adopted, Mozilla either submits and enables it to make sure daddy Google stays happy, or they die.
Google used to give a lot more money to Mozilla, then they massively cut it which led to huge layoff affecting a lot of Firefox dev. Thankfully the new Firefox engine were just completed at that point. People like to complain about Mozilla pushing their VPN and Pocket, but they have to find another source of income to reduce their dependency to Google.
Typically this thinking is mostly correct - e.g. Manifest v3 - but not in this case. If websites see enough users using chormium, via user agent or other fingerprinting, they’ll be more willing to require WEI. And unlike Manifest v3 etc. this affects the whole web, not just users of one browser or the other.
In every case monopolies are bad. Including in tech.
I’m not sure about Mull because I’ve never tried it. I use Fennec, which purportedly removes the problematic telemetry, but I’ll be honest I’ve never actually verified this.
I do know some apps instead of removing trackers will replace them with dummy trackers, so I wonder if this might be what duckduckgo is detecting. I don’t really know since I also avoid duckduckgo lol
And thus the brave lammings set out to inform other lemmings, who are as tech savvy and know this is happening, that this is happening by posting memes. Hopefully the people, who would already be using firefox if they cared, switch to firefox so we can breach the 3% market share and that’ll show Google, maker of Chrome and Firefox’ main sponsor, people care enough to stop this madness! - I’m not against activism, but activism in an echochamber can turn into a circlejerk. Everyone stop stroking please… I’m here for the memes.
Just look at all the people in the comments patiently explaining what the problem is and what can be done. At what point would you consider this common knowledge that is propagated and confirmed because people on this plattform have reached consensus? It is good we had this discussion for a few days, plenty of awareness has been spread on lemmy. I’m proposing to stop posting about this topic as there is nothing new added except repetition that gains traction because we agree. Call that whatever you want.
You’re not wrong that this discussion would be more productive in a privacy community or one dedicated to web browsers, but at least people see it here.
The problem I’ve seen isn’t the discussion, but the fact that some users have become disproportionately hostile toward others, using childish insults to describe their ideas like “stupid” instead of contributing anything of value.
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