I wrote my own software and used commercial plotter (from 90s - it is way faster than 3d printer) in order to achieve result that can make teacher believe that it was written. In my language it is required for letters to be connected when handwritten (my program does it), there are different variations for each letter that are stretched and rotated during generation (I used pen tablet in order to input them)
It was written mostly when I was in 10-11th grade (that’s why the code is spaghetti) and I indeed wasted much more time than I would if I did my homework like a normal person
The saddest part of this is you probably learned more setting this up than if you had done the homework. You learned how to use ai text, a 3d printer, set it all up, and produce a viable result.
In my view, this is not sad. It’s just that education needs to incorporate parts of these new technologies into it. Technology is the future if education still wants you to write with a pen on paper then they are being outdated pretty fast.
Some of them are. My former high school/trade school redesigned their library from half books half computers to one third books one third comouters one third 3D printing, laser etching and poster printing.
There are some programs that focus on those things but it’s free for any student there to use no matter the trade they go there for. I wish I had it when I was there!
Be me in high school. We’re in meth class learning about random numbers and probabilities. The teacher says “in your calculator, random number is likely written rand()”. So I go into the Casio programmable calculator and start coding instead of listening to the lesson. Teacher noticed I’m not looking and calls me out. Threaten a detention and asks what I have been doing. “I made a gambling game” — teacher comes over to see. I had made a rice rolling game. You’d start with $100 and bet on rolls ( you could chose 1 or 2 die or coin toss). Bell rings and all my friends come lining up for me to transfer the program to their calculators with the transfer cable (a micro TRRS cable).
Little did they know there is a “virus” that I’d you land on snake eyes, the program launches an infinite loop, printing pages and page of space characters and the calculator is really slow at typing and print commands can’t be interrupted other than resetting the calculator and loosing all your programs.
If I were a teacher and saw that every duplicate handwritten letter looked very similar to the last few, I’d definitely either assume you have some form of OCD (or something of similar nature) or are using an “AI” chatbot and some writing tool to write for you and would probably wanna see you at some point to ask about it.
Only acception might be if a student uses one of those writing tools because of accessibility issues when it comes to writing.
The text turned out by the algorithm created by Tom Haines and his fellow UCL researchers is authentic enough that human judges are unable to tell the difference.
Honestly, if teachers are going to continue assigning stupid homework that can be completed by chatgpt then they have no excuse.
Homework is so pointless anyway. If a student needs to revise work to properly learn it. They should be trusted to just study independently or when needed be helped by the teacher.
Depends what kind of homework. A huge portion of school is just there to learn how to learn. Learn how to teach yourself something. Getting the fundamental basics of knowledge and how to tackle subjects that are strange, foreign, boring.
Some things you’ll have to learn by yourself. Students between 5 - 14 are just not there to learn vocabulary, basic maths, etc. on their own. It gives every student the chance to do it at their own pace, find their own way how to learn and understand it best, using the tools they learned during class.
That the execution of this theory is not the best (especially in certain countries) is obvious, however, I think without homework I would have no tools nowadays to get into a new, complicated topic without being tutored/ guided all the way through.
Depends on the age, in college my homework was like a check mark for 10% of my grade. Ignore it at your peril. In middle school you gotta see they are actually doing some work before you flunk them.
I can’t remember the last time I had mandatory college HW, it was class work then “if you wanna do this to help you can then we can go over next class” work, it wasn’t graded and only suited yourself to learn
STEM has a lot of homework. They basically make it hard as fuck and encourage people to collaborate on it. They check to make sure what you wrote vaguely resembles homework and put a check mark on it.
Fun fact: it was invented by Roberto Nevilis, who did it to punish students who didn’t understand much of the content/did not want to understand much of the content. However I suppose he didn’t expect teachers to use this globally.
I do agree with your points above and who knows, maybe chatgpt will finally force schools to be reinvented and remade for the next generation to be more engaging.
So, first you need to learn how to set up the printer, then fetch the bot produced text, review (hopefully), load it to the printer, run a test to determine it every part is working, run the “print”, review it…
If they know “how to set up the printer, then fetch the bot produced text, review (hopefully), load it to the printer, run a test to determine it every part is working, run the “print”, review it…”
Then I’d say they are more prepared for the future they’re inheriting than their peers that have to study and learn how to rig this bad boy up.
You aren’t wrong, in part at least, but I guarantee you that the person who doesn’t have to set this thing up because they can quickly process information and produce compelling content on their own, without the aid of an LLM, will have a cognitive and competitive advantage in life. This may not be obvious when you are young and still in school.
This is an argument that I do not agree with, but I 100% can respect.
I would assert that the LLMs are irrelevant here, the kid has an aptitude for engineering with or without LLMs. He clearly is capable of processing information and producing compelling content on his own.
Likewise, his peers may have their own faculties that will grant them an advantage in life. But I don’t think failing to leverage existing technologies will do them any good. Using textbooks, the internet, and LLMs are various technologies that can be used effectively or detrimentally.
Other students may succeed, not due to their unwillingness to adopt LLMs, but in spite of it.
It seems you’re hyper focused on an overly literal interpretation of a meme. Of course blindly outputting chatgpt’s response is an ineffective strategy and doing the student a disservice. So is copying a textbook or plagiarizing from the Internet.
But rigging this bad boy up? That’s innovative, and more importantly, makes a funny image.
They’re not, really. 3D printing simply hasn’t taken off as promised and society is collapsing all around us anyway.
Plus he is making himself wholly dependent on corporate proprietary software to express thoughts for him, meaning now he cannot speak for himself or articulate his own ideas, leaving him vulnerable to whatever tech giants want.
What happens when Chat GPT starts censoring answers, or making shit up and the teacher catches him? Or he has to use the skills he is supposed to be learning on the fly (which happens all too often, especially critical thinking skills) without access to his workshop? Is he going to carry a 3D printer wherever he goes?
He is really selling himself short by using the few skills he has to get around learning anything else useful. That’s the kind of mindset that is going to cause civilization to collapse, prevent progress, allow fascists to take advantage of the fact that he is uneducated to brainwash him, and endanger himself and those he loves.
3d printing hasn’t taken off: I think you underestimate just how important rapid prototyping and additive manufacturing has been in industry. Just because you don’t see it doesn’t make it unimportant. Here you can see some aircraft brackets that were 3d printed. <a href="">https://www.metal-am.com/amgta-shows-additive-manufacturings-role-in-lightweighting-aircraft-engine-bracket/</a>
Corporate proprietary software. Neither cad nor LLMs are strictly corporate proprietary software. And I hate to break it to you but corporate proprietary software is not inherently evil and is commonly required in academic and professional environments. <a href="">https://openscad.org/</a><a href="">https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/list-of-open-source-large-language-models-llms-4eac551bda2e</a>
He cannot speak for himself… It’s better to parrot correct ideas than to articulate incorrect ones. Joking aside I don’t see where you got this idea from, it seems he has plenty of creativity and aptitude for independent thought.
What happens when chatgpt starts censoring answers. Most llms are already censored and by their architecture they are specifically designed to make shit up. So any reasonable implementation would review and edit the output, a point you yourself already caught on to so again I fail to see your point here.
Is he going to carry a 3d printer? I remember hearing the same thing about calculators.
Your doom and gloom conclusion. LLMs are a tool that can be leveraged effectively or can be used to fuck yourself over quite quickly. However your ludditical (ludditicarian, luddilicious, luddite-loving, what’s the right word here?) prevent progress, allow fascists to take advantage of the fact that you are uneducated and endanger our society and those you love.
And don’t criticize What you can’t understand. Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command. Your old road is rapidly agin’ Please get out of the new one If you can’t lend your hand. For the times they are a-changin’
Let’s watch you stop enabling other Americans to avoid being educated and watch you uplift our country instead of allowing it to collapse.
Let’s watch you encourage young people to learn and help them do something meaningful instead of pushing people to become wholly dependent on corporate proprietary software that will lie, censor, send your deepest darkest secrets into the sweaty hands of marketing firms and tech giants, (and the open source garbage isn’t better at all, because it can be updated to do the same without the knowledge you are rejecting), and enfeeble you completely.
Let’s watch you actually think about and debate the points without copying and pasting answers you just printed out from Chat GPT.
Let’s watch you do literally anything other than convince me more and more to ban the use of such tech when I get my own organizations going, and fire anyone who is caught using it. And the other industrious millennials and zoomers who will whip past you while you sit around being spoonfed scraps.
And don’t criticize
What you can’t understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly agin’ Please get out of the new one If you can’t lend your hand For the times they are a-changin’
And Act 2 of the motherfucking show: hiding behind aggressive personal attacks and accusations, and appealing to stereotypes about generational divided to legitimize BLATANTLY unethical and immoral behavior.
Learning and life is for humans, not for AI to help people pretend to learn just to pass a class. You have to learn to engage with life on this planet no matter how technologically advanced we become, and generative AI is not a step forward or progress, it is backward. It is regression. It is copyright infringement on a massive scale, it is plagiarism, it is theft, neatly hidden behind a digital wall.
And you are a morally bankrupt thief and scammer for supporting it.
Proving my point exactly, you know what you’re doing is wrong but you want to do it anyway because you don’t care about anyone other than yourself.
You are under ethical and moral obligations to learn and do work on your own honestly and by your own hand. You don’t have the right to lie, cheat and steal to get your way, yet here you are supporting technology that does exactly those three things.
You are a dishonest, scummy, worthless crook. Your actions are morally repugnant.
Man, look at this guy all butthurt when he is told what he wants to do is wrong.
Do you talk back to your teachers and parents when they try to convince you to read or learn too or are you of the type that thinks you have no future anyway, so it doesn’t matter?
Well then in that case you should know how this technology works, how it’s widely used, and what it’s good for. Instead you’re just a sad, angry boomer who is mad at the world.
How about educators evolve their tests instead of acting like it is the 1950’s still?
Everybody has a calculator everywhere at all times, head calculations just aren’t as useful anymore.
Instead of writing pages on topics by hand like some medieval peasant, how about teaching some critical reading of multiple sources through the use of AI synopsis?
Skills evolve over time. Writing cursive was once an extremely important skill. Now everything is digital and it became useless.
So if a task can be completed by copy pasting ChatGPT results, it isn’t an effective teaching tool anymore.
The chat GPT interface is literally the simplest part of the whole solution. It requires wiring custom GCODE compiler from vector text and of course converting text to vector graphics. I bet this guy easily could learn anything he wanted to use and is one of the creative guys this society actually runs on in the long term.
And not a single ounce of that is going to help him in any respect other than getting some hits on a video, unless he finds very niche specialty work using 3D printers which in the U.S. simply does not exist.
He still needs the understanding he can only obtain by actually learning material himself to be able to do anything actually useful.
Stop trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel to defend some unscrupulous asshole who just wants to get out of learning important shit that bores them. Encourage them to learn instead.
Niche? Are you a lunatic? The 3D printing industry is one of the fastest growing fields in the world. 3D printing is getting cheaper and cheaper compared to eg. CNC machining. The industry is a very important one, because it allows you to create accurate parts much more quickly that to drill a block of metal. And all this not even mentioning that this required mostly general computer science skill, I hope you won’t call the computer science field niche?
Yes, niche. He could make a profit doing homework for others, for a short time until he is caught I suppose. But America simply doesn’t have the industry to really boost someone like him, and no one building any wants people who can’t write on their own with their own hand or think with their own mind.
People like him have no real conceptual understanding of what they do. He can’t do back of the envelope calculations, think quickly, or solve problems. And that’s why Chat GPT will always be bad and immoral.
You think someone writing custom software can’t solve problems?
Also, a 3d printer is just an additive cnc machine, learning how to operate, tweak, tune, write gcode, etc, is an incredibly important skill in manufacturing and r&d, CAD skills are not niche, they are incredibly sought after.
Learning how to use and modify a 3d printer at an early age, as well as learning software development, and practicing connecting disparate systems is one of the best things you could do if you want to become an engineer.
“He can’t do back of the envelope calculations, think quickly, or solve problems.” This is just made up, completely. That is literally just a fantasy created in your head.
Not if all they’re going to do is use it to do homework for them, no. They’re just slaves wiring themselves to corporate machines and so are you for supporting them.
So, first you need to learn how to set up the printer, then fetch the bot produced text, review (hopefully), load it to the printer, run a test to determine it every part is working, run the “print”, review it…
It states “I don’t want to waste my time writing some shitty assignments for subjects I will not pursue in the future anyways”. This person obviously does have time to acquire knowledge and does it, because programming this requires knowledge about things such as vector graphics, neural networks and GCODE creation.
Are you me when I was back in school? Is this a loop hole?
Yes, much of which we learn in school seems/feels unnecessary to a perceived/imagined/planned personal future but its the variety of subjects that creates the basis for multi layered reasoning.
I am painfully aware Lemmy is mostly populated by high technically proficient individuals but the world is not about to be handled by machines and AI, not now and I risk not ever, simply because there are tasks that can not and should not ever be handled by a machine.
So, first you need to learn how to set up the printer, then fetch the bot produced text, review (hopefully), load it to the printer, run a test to determine it every part is working, run the “print”, review it…
That is way too easily said. I used a lot of tactics like these to get through high school for subjects I will never care about. Now I am in college and able to do a job I love.
This is innovation, and problem solving the small stuff is a very important skill in the modern day work environment.
Do I wasn’t to hand calculate an entire statistical analysis, no. I use excell.
It doesn’t make the work any more or less valid. If you can Google something in under a minute, don’t bother spending a tonne of time trying to remember it.
And never learn to do anything independently or understand what it is you are doing, or even know anything off hand. That way when Google censors you and witholds vital information in an emergency situation, you are totally unprepared for it and come to harm.
Yeah this teaches some incredibly valuable skills like creative problem solving, how to bend rules for your own benefit and how to use tech to be cool as fuck.
I think, the handwritten font, that is used by the plotter, does not support german umlauts. But if you create your own handwriting font, this might be a fun idea to try to get away with.
As part of the copy chain, you need to feed the ChatGPT output into a handwriting neural network you trained in your own handwriting, then have the 3D printer draw it.
Its much more difficult than that to be actually believable. As u/Luftruessel said, theres a great video from “Stuff Made Here” where he goes deep inside the topic and tries to fool a graphologist.
Yeah you’d need a dozen or so examples of each character for randomness and the professor who can see the shenanigans would just ask for a paper in cursive.
You don’t just scan individual letters, you also scan a bunch of different combos of letters next to each other, as needed. For example, you’re gonna want specific scans for things like “ea”,“ee”, “eu”.
Getting several examples of every letter combination gets very hard very fast. Just lowercase, to get 5 examples of the letters before and after each letter is nearly 100k examples. You’d probably be better off doing some machine leaning shenanigans to simplify the process from training data.
I didn’t say every letter combination. I said the ones you need. Letter combos that do not connect to each other aren’t needed. Still though, you’re right that machine learning is needed… the good news is it’s already been done before, and the code is open source. StuffMadeHere on youtube already built a fully functional prototype that impressed if maybe didn’t fool forgery experts. youtu.be/cQO2XTP7QDw
Teachers must be stupid af to believe its hand writen, but ill pretend they are. Just drop some blood and sweat on first page so they feel uncofortable to ask anything
This one probably. I do remember this video of someone actually making one that a professional forgery expert flat out said was convincing enough that he would have believed it was handwriting www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQO2XTP7QDw
Pyramiden sind [?]auwerken
in Aegypten & Nordafrika.
Grabstaetten fr Pharaonen & Familien
Bekannteste Cheo…
Pyramids are [?] architectural works
in Egypt & North Africa.
Tombs for Pharaohs and [their] families.
The most famous Cheo…
The author replaced the missing Ä/ä in the stroke font with Ae/ae, which is only used in German in URLs, usernames and other places that don’t allow diacritics. However, the ü in für is still missing. This could only pass as handwritten notes at a glance even if the font replicates one’s handwriting perfectly. However, this is unlikely to be a real assignment for anyone over 12 years old (which I assume the author is because of the effort of repurposing a 3D printer and syncing up the lines) given that the answer is basically a Wikipedia page summary.
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