That’s not even comparable to the amount that’s happening in the US, we’ve definitely got a bigger systemic problem here. With that being said Im not a fan of these kinds of memes anyways, it’s not that theyre incorrect, I just don’t think kids getting murdered en masse is funny
Where oh where is GoodGuyWithGunMan to save us when we need him?
Last I heard, he was shooting at that escaped Pennsylvania inmate - but missed, while the inmate got away with another one of his guns. GoodGuyWithGunMan’s only weakness - more guns.
Not sure the intent of the first sentence The last portion I think is sarcasm? Mainly ragging on Christian Americans “thoughts and prayers approach” to gun violence by children teens young adults regular adults…
Hey wait a minute, I smell pattern…
NEXT TIME ON: ARE YOU SMARTER THAN AN AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE!
What do you think was meant by “or something?” The question was answered. Meme shows school kids shot up. Gangs or whatever shoots them up. Yes it happened today. Happens everyday.
Okay but it’s disingenuous. You can disagree. It’s a massive disparity between school deaths and gang violent deaths so I feel it warrants a little more clarity of communication.
Because they have different causes and different solutions.
Car crashes are killing X people; if you insist on treating all car crashes as though they were caused by someone intentionally driving into a crowd–versus inattentive drivers or driving drunk–then you aren’t going to be able to solve the problem.
Idunno, making guns a lot harder to obtain would help a lot with both and so would replacing a lot of cops in both poorer neighborhoods and schools with social workers and mental health professionals 🤷
replacing a lot of cops in both poorer neighborhoods
That’s a band-aid on a broken leg: useless. Social workers and mental health professionals aren’t going to help when the problem is poverty. What are they going to do, make you feel better about not being able to make rent, or getting your shitbox 20yo Toyota repo’d because your hours got cut and you couldn’t make the payments? Fix the economics, and the rest largely solves itself.
Social workers and mental health professionals aren’t going to help when the problem is poverty
That’s where you’re wrong. Both social workers and mental health professionals can ABSOLUTELY help you reach out to get the help you need and make you better equipped to deal with and change the system, leading to a reduction in poverty. It’s less of a band-aid on a broken leg and more one small but extremely beneficial piece of a huge puzzle.
…And that’s what’s helping, not the social workers. Ain’t nobody got time to be fighting for change when you’re working 14 hour days just to be able to make rent.
The social workers aren’t directly addressing the problem. The social workers ensure that you don’t have to work 14 hour days just to get by at a barely-outside-of-poverty level. Feeling better about yourself isn’t going to mean that you don’t have to work yourself to utter exhaustion just to get by.
The problem is the system we live in, the system that allows vast inequities in wealth, the system that requires poor and unemployed people in order to keep profitability high for owners. Reducing cops and adding social workers doesn’t directly address that, and it’s unlikely that it would indirectly address that either. Yes, we should fix our criminal justice system. Yes, people living in poverty should have realistic access to mental health. But that should be because it’s the right thing to do, not because that’s going to fix the underlying inequities that cause the problems.
I think you’re right in what you’re saying but not what I think you’re implying. The solution to one problem is mental health regulations, the solution to the other is improper use regulations. Which are different, but fall under the same umbrella.
Either way, taking about cars is exactly where I’d take the comparison because it’s the only other commonly owned (highly effective) weapon in the us. We require a license to use one and liability insurance to own one, then take that license away if you show that you can’t use it properly. That’s exactly what if like to see happen to guns.
“Regulation” per se doesn’t actually solve the underlying problems, it just masks it. Solutions are things that address the underlying issue. In that case of most violent crime, that’s poverty, systemic racism, lack of opportunity, economic inequality, and so on. All of those things would also tend to decrease mental health issues, but going farther and making sure that people could realistically access good mental health help–without fear of loss of rights–would improve outcomes.
Moreover, in the example I used, there were three causes of crashes; there are absolutely, definitely cases of people using a car to intentionally kill pedestrians in indiscriminate attacks. Regulation doesn’t prevent that kind of abuse, unless you want to simply, y’know, entirely ban the use of all vehicles. Which would require entirely overhauling all of the infrastructure in the US.
As far as ‘school shootings’–which I’m defining as violence targeting schools with the intent of causing mass casualties–you don’t have a single solid cause. There’s a report–by the US Secret Service, I think?–that tried to nail down factors, and what they came up with was that there wasn’t any single thing that most or all of them had in common that wasn’t a legal and protected activity, or wasn’t common enough that targeting that factor wouldn’t have widespread unintended consequences. E.g., if 50% of the students that committed mass murders were bullied, then putting all bullied kids on a watch list would be punishing an enormous number of kids for the actions of a very tiny minority.
Is it a massive disparity or is it a simple common demoninator of guns are far too easy to obtain in the US? There is an incredibly strong correlation between stringent gun control and less school and gang shootings of children in many other nations.
I can see why you call it disingenuous but the point of the matter is that children are getting shot. You can break it down into as many catagories as you like, the bottom line is that far too many school aged children are dying violent deaths in a world that has enough knowledge and resources to know what the solutions are to prevent it. The only thing keeping that going at this point is political fuckery.
How is counting dead children misrepresenting what is going on? Dead is dead. When I say I want fewer guns it is because I want fewer deaths, gang members and depressed kids included.
Recommend sending your kids to another country for schooling. Gun control isn’t going to happen in US. Vote all you want. The democrats are also afraid to make strong changes on this. It’s more likely the republican notion of everyone just having a gun all the time will catch on rather than real gun control. Sorry to sound so down. I would love to see gun control in US but they just aren’t going to to it. There is far too much lobbying and far too many people that view guns and cars as more valuable than their own children.
This is false. We have a mountain of gun control laws in place already. Many of them are rarely enforced.
Maybe you meant that banning scary rifles is not going to happen in the USA? That would be an accurate prediction, based on the last few years of precedents set by our Supreme Court.
Lol, send my kids to another country? Most of us here live paycheck to paycheck. Real talk? I took my kid out of school. Besides the threats of violence, public school in the US is a joke. I was homeschooled and I still ended up better educated than most people I know my age, without even really trying…
Gun control isn’t the solution and would only serve to weaken the working class. Sending your kids to another country over something this rare is an imposible and laughable suggestion
The reality of life in the US. Instead of admitting that the US, though not bad in some areas, is a complete shit show in too many other areas, it’s easier to just say that any valid criticism is just US bashing
Depends, but yeah it can be. Joking at something so dark might shame a few people in being honest about the problem. US gun laws are ab obvious joke pushed by politicians that don’t care about dead kids, they just care about votes. I find that much more abhorrent.
I think it’s Europeans on Lemmy who apparently think the US is a political monolith and they’re making some kind of point. As if any American on a site like this isn’t fully aware of the problem. I doubt it, frankly. If it’s an American posting it, they should probably know that already and find a more suitable platform. Kinda preaching to the choir here. The thing is, if there were an easy solution we would have found it. Again, people who really don’t understand the scope of the political and cultural problem posting snide and frankly ignorant comments doesn’t help anything, in my opinion.
Ironically, Spongerobert would be more resilient to school shootings since sea sponges can reconstitute themselves even after massive damage, such as being forced through a fine mesh screen.
Uh, the news. According to GunViolenceArchive (link here ) who are not themselves necessarily a reputable source but do gather their information from relatively reputable sources, mostly police records and government sources, they actually don't have one listed for today! Hooray! But there was one yesterday in Florida and three more the day before that in Michigan, Indiana, and New Jersey.
Days without shootings do happen but are shockingly rare. Just take a look at the list there.
No they do not get their sources from gov and police records. They pull them from local news sites and blogs.
And 95% of the shit on here is gang/drug violence and most are not killed. It’s not just school shootings, which rarely happen. Even the AP says we have only had 15 mass school shootings since Columbine. And Motherjones even called these stats out.
Do we have a violence issue? Yes. Is it because of the gun? No. Our society needs fixing. There are a ton of things we can do that would have a way larger and more positive effect than trying to ban 450+ million firearms.
Just this stuff would do %1000 more to curb all our violence than banning firearms:
Ending the War on Drugs
Ending Qualified immunity
Properly funding our schools and not just rich white suburb schools.
Build more schools and hire more teachers for proper pay so the class room sizes aren’t 30-40 kids for one teacher.
Single Payer healthcare
UBI (at least start talking about it) once AI takes over most of the blue collar jobs.
End for profit prisons
Enforce the laws already on the books
Make sure there are safety nets for poor families so the kids don’t turn to violence/gangs to survive.
Increase the minimum wage
Recreate our mental healthcare so kids don’t turn to the internet for support. And to help veterans not end up as a suicide number.
Actively make a law to solidify Pro-choice rights. More unwanted children do not help our situation.
Banning Insider Trading for Congress
Term limits
Ranked Choice Voting so we can move away from a 2 party system
Huh, you’re right! Also that makes me think of a very good solution to school shootings that somehow nobody is talking about, why don’t we just ban schools? If kids aren’t going to school in the first place then they aren’t going to get shot there. It’s so simple!
Just searched for “Sept 10 2023 school shooting” and that appears to have been a day without a school shooting.
Looks like a person (not a student) was shot on school grounds, but from an incident miles away. I do not understand the school to have been in session (in fact I am unclear the shooting was on school grounds, versus the school being the nearest landmark.)
(Honestly, I am trying to emphasize what a shit pile of school shootings we have.)
For the purposes of my objection, I do not object to weekend posting.
There is a park in my neighborhood that is right next to an elementary school, and the parking lot for the school is right next to the playground part of the park, so on weekends a lot of people park in the school parking lot to go to the park, it’s conceivable for a shooting to occur “on school grounds” on a weekend…
As an aside, what’s more American than driving to your closest neighborhood park?
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