TBH if you don’t restart then it’s going to take an hour before it lets you log in the next time you boot up. Just keep it going on Hibernate until you’re ready to let it update.
The confusing mess that is Windows update feels like the result of a large corporation of many people that are pulling in different directions while they attempt to meet the requirements of users that are completely ignorant and apathetic.
I don’t understand why I need to choose ‘restart and update’. Why can’t this be achieved from shutting down? It’s programmed as if shutting down means I’m never coming back to the machine again. Shutdown is the wrong word, it should say Decommission.
Ngl this is a weird question. It’s like asking “why would I ever need to choose ‘restart’, why can’t the same be achieved by shutting down?”
You really can’t think of a use case for updating and restarting your computer instead of just shutting it down? Remote sessions? Power button in an inconvenient location? The desire to not need yet another input to get what you wanted?
I think it’s weird to want to be involved in the update. They want me to sit like a dummy watching the stupid icon spin round for a few minutes. What I have learned or achieved during that time is not edifying in the slightest.
You’re no more involved than sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y in that you’re sitting watching mostly useless info output to your screen while you wait.
It’s essentially just a way of saying “the update is still happening and this is about how far we are in the process” so you’re not just twirling your thumbs at a black screen or nothing but spinning dots.
User feedback is pretty important, be it verbose output of what’s currently happening, or just a progress summary in the form of a total percent complete.
I daresay there are plenty of folks who do want to know about updates and good luck to them. At least Linux users have the opportunity to properly examine what"s inside. Windows and macOS are designed for the lowest common denominator, the people who don’t understand what a cancer these proprietary tech companies have become.
Yes, the info can be useful. And technically speaking (on windows at least) you can dig into the logs and see what happened. But yeah, 99% of users don’t know what any of it means, so it makes no difference to them if it’s hidden away.
That said, aiming for the lowest common denominator is a good thing, imho, so long as you’re also providing a way for power users to get at the info being hidden.
That’s pretty much the entire way windows works. Give the tech illiterate a shiny object to stare at, and give power users a way to view what’s underneath.
The last time I paid any attention to the update process was probably ten years ago when Microsoft noticed how much user data was worth on the open market and retrofitted their nascent surveillance apparatus to win7. That seemed to motivate a lot of folks to block the offending updates. Thankfully the EU have regulated their data harvesting ‘updates’ but it’s probably something we should keep an eye while the little number climbs to 100.
So the reason it does this is Windows update requires a reboot. So it installs the patch, reboots AND THEN shuts down. If your missing the final shut down it’s becuase something is preventing it or you started using it again.
Hu weird, this has done so on every single PC I own, including my work laptop and my Surface. No idea what could be wrong, guess some more advanced settings
Usually I’ve seen this be an issue on custom build rigs where bios might be out of date or something like fast boot is enabled which is known to cause issues in some cases where computer won’t shutdown cleanly.
This isn’t update related but when I inserted an SD card into a laptop running Windows it blue screened. Yeah that’s right, the OS crashed due to a fucking SD card.
a single anecdote that could have been coincidence proves nothing bud. i’ve been running Arch for years and recently my laptop has been having some issues. the trackpad only works intermittently, the speakers will randomly quit halfway through a video, and lately it’s randomly shutting down with no warning when running a game. does that mean linux is terrible and nobody shouls use it cause it fucked up my computer and is a pox on all humanity? of course not. all it means is this laptop is a lemon. all those issues happen in Windows too, the once in a blue moon I have to reboot to run a game Proton doesn’t support yet; i’ve called a repair guy in twice to replace the trackpad, and both times the issue has completely gone away for a few months before creeping back again; the speaker issue gets triggered when the laptop gets bumped, so it’s almost certainly a loose connection; and i’ve all but confirmed the random shutdowns are thermal.
also, fwiw, i recently had to try to recover data from a physically damaged microSD card. plugging it into my laptop under windows, nothing happened. plugging it (via USB mind you) into the exact same laptop under linux and trying to mount it caused mount to lock up, requiring a reboot before it would do anything else involving filesystems.
am i still a linux fanboy? yeah. linux is infinitely better than windows for the things i need to do, most of which involve programming. but that doesn’t and shouldn’t mean that i believe microshaft winblows is the worst piece of software ever created and that arch is the one true OS that everyone would be using if only they would see the light (looking at you, Gardiner Bryant).
linux diehards get outta here. you’re making the rest of us look bad.
All I did was make a simple negative comment about windows. There was no need for a multiple paragraph rant. I’m assuming it’s because of my username and if that’s true then I need to tell you my username is mostly a joke.
Never happened to me.
Maybe that’s a problem because you dual boot?
If so: Not a supported use case by windows/ms and they will probably tell you to stop it and then it will work without issues.
If that is actually the case:
You can’t just do stuff the company (as bullshit as it is) tells you not to, break the software and then call the company shit for doing something out of scope.
I had to do a firmware update for my new CPU. The firmware is shit. Last version I had the option of virtualization or networking, never both but the BIOS didn't wipe.
You can’t just do stuff the company (as bullshit as it is) tells you not to, break the software and then call the company shit for doing something out of scope.
The company’s software can’t just do stuff I (as bullshit as it is) don’t want it to, break my system and/or overwrite data on partitions and drives I did not give it explicit or implicit permission to read, access, or modify, and then tell me my use case is unsupported and so I just have to deal with it.
I’m not OP and I don’t even dual boot, but it’s my computer, not Microsoft’s. If I want to dual boot, and Windows breaks that despite me not making any changes to Windows, then yes the company deserves to have shit placed at their feet. Linux doesn’t overwrite any Windows data when it updates unless you tell it to, so why have tons of people (including multiple friends) had Windows overwrite their Linux data on updates?
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