He’s already said he’s basically going to be 10 times worse if he gets reelected. I’m not sure why the people who support him think that’s a good thing. For a party that claims to love “freedom” they sure seem desperate to elect a fascist dictator
He didn’t want the folks who would pay him to suddenly believe they didn’t have to pay, or be ticked off that they were having to pay (remember, rich folks can get snippy). I can’t remember the number that was floated, but it wasn’t cheap.
Because their version of freedom operates differently from what the majority of sane people have known freedom to really be about.
If you know the saying "rules for thee but not for me", it's completely amplified through Trump and his entire voter base. I think the greatest offense these collective walking shitheads commit, is taking every honest symbolism of freedom and bastardizing it in their image. Anything about 1776, anything about independence, anything about freedom, liberty .etc
They get twisted and contorted through their asinine filter to mean entirely something else, very similar in vein to what the Nazis did to the symbol that once meant good luck. These assholes are taking every American symbol and fucking it up to a point where we are all having second guesses as to what means what anymore.
The underlying message is that they aim for sovereign status above anything anyone else is held accountable to, at the expense of fucking over another, which is the goal of them voting for Trump. When, Trump has proven to not even care about his voter base but as long as he's voted in, then the insane asylum inmates go back to being rowdy because they know that through proxy via Trump, they'll think they have free reign to run all over everyone they don't like.
Fascism is a president trying to take away constitutional rights like genocide Joe is with the second amendment and limiting gun rights. Trump has already said he won’t get involved in any foreign conflicts, which is far better than funding Israels genocide.
Just ask yourself who you’re going to have more rights under Trump or Biden, then you’ll see who the fascist dictator is.
It’s Trump. He’s essentially already said he wants to be a dictator. He’s started calling his opponents “vermin”, he’s stated on the record that he’s going to deploy the army on day 1 of his reelection to suppress any dissenters.
It’s not subtle
He’s going to destroy America so he can keep being the center of attention and make it illegal to disagree with him
There’s a certain document called the constitution that gives Americans the right to assemble and to free speech that not even the president can fuck with.
Are you more scared of a fascist president who’s intent on limiting your natural rights or trump because he said a scary word like vermin.
You’re honestly following too much left wing media, a more balanced approach to how you consume news will open your eyes up to what factors you need to consider before voting next year.
I’m referring to things that Donald Trump has actually said openly on camera. It’s literally all he talks about. It has nothing to do with who’s reporting it, these are the actual words Trump has said.
I’m not particularly a leftist, I consider myself to be a centrist. I don’t particularly love Joe Biden. That doesn’t mean I’m going to go out and vote for a cartoon super villain though
I will have more rights under Biden. There’s more to rights than guns. Like as a gay man if I lose my right to exist, that’s a bit harsher than my right to own something.
In fairness, it’s not Trump’s plan, either, it’s Heritage’s. They’re doing it for Trump, but I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Trump has never even heard of it. Lol
He’s had meetings with Heritage on how to implement the plan. They are already in the process of lining up his appointees so that they can hit the ground running. You are badly misinformed as to how far this has already gone.
There are several different groups supporting him for different reasons. The biggest, I’d argue, is the slightly right very populist. They’re not into fascism per se, they just want a wrecking ball like Trump to go in and break apart the elite institutions they blame for all the problems and see no other way of influencing. There certainly are supporters who are encroaching on fascism territory. Then there’s long time Republicans who have flipped on a bunch of issues to try to get support from these people Trump activated.
Yeah if you guys put him in office again, I’m just deleting all social media including lemmy. Fuuuuuck that [most times daily, some times HOURLY] noise. I already live in a very depressing country, don’t need Americans to remind me they’re making things worse.
Trump and Biden both have dementia really bad. It’s been just as much of a shitshow under Biden.
Biden is continuing the construction of Trump’s border wall. And Biden was VP when kids were being put in cages at the mexican border. Biden was VP when Obama deported more immigrants than any other president combined. Biden was in favor of segregation back when MLK was going around giving speeches.
“I don’t want my kids growing up in a racial jungle” is something Biden is on video saying in congress…or was it during one of his campaigns? Can’t remember.
My point is. Democrat, republican…it doesn’t matter, the same shit always happens and the only thing that changes is who’s giving praise and who’s giving criticism.
Y’all Americans are some stupid bastards having president Like biden who can’t form sentences, and calling Trump a bad guy. Like we all know that Russia wouldn’t have Attacked Ukraine, Blackrock wouldn’t have gotten contract for “rebuilding” Ukraine. Having your tax payer money being spent on wars, you autistic removed.
He is polling above Biden in every single national poll somehow. Unless something drastic happens in the next 365, Trump will be the 47th POTUS. Americans have a really short memory.
Incumbency advantage persists. Swapping to a new candidate would likely be worse, even if the candidate is better, purely based on electoralism.
Yes, the dems do nothing. This is better than Republicans, who do a lot of bad shit. Voting dem won’t fix issues, it will just prevent many more from cropping up. What fixes issues is grassroots praxis.
It’s not about comfort, voting harder won’t meaningfully improve anything, just prevent it from getting worse.
I’m aware of the ratchet effect.
Do you want me to list out every meaningful thing you can do to improve your life and the lives of others? Advocate, unionize, organize, volunteer, start a community garden, work at a soup kitchen, educate yourself and others, help someone in need, etc. It isn’t that complicated, really, and your denial of actually doing shit to help and instead whine about how Biden is a Neoliberal ghoul (which I agree with) and therefore can’t beat a fascist (I disagree with this) is absurd.
Republicans actively laugh at protesters. If people are protesting, they think, “I’ve gotta be doing something right to be triggering the libs like this.”
/Grew up in a Republican household with all Republican extended family
In fact, the largest protests in history (to that date) were in opposition to starting the Iraq war. Fat load of good that did.
Democrats protest. Republicans vote. Guess who’s running the show.
Protesting helps a little, that’s not what I’m referring to by a grassroots movement. You can’t really do much in the face of a bourgeois dictatorship via electoral means, the system itself is designed against radical change.
Incumbents historically have a huge advantage, any new candidate would get absolutely swept by Trump. Most Americans are embarrassingly out of touch with politics
Yup, polls can’t account for something like an “October surprise”. In Hillary’s case in 2016, that was the James Comey letter that was leaked by Republicans Congress. It had the desired effect, with her poll numbers dropping virtually overnight. He rescinded the letter, but not fast enough to make a difference. This was all prompted by FBI agents in the NYC office who were leaking like a sieve to the press. So if you ever hear someone grouse about prosecutors supposedly interfering with elections because they are prosecuting Trump for his crimes, remind them that Trump got a whole presidential term out of FBI agents interfering for him.
Especially a candidate with left wing politics. There’s a reason Democrats run center-left candidates for president once it gets to the general. Those are the ones that win.
It’s nuts how short people’s memory is. It was just a few years ago that yahoos were invading our nation’s Capitol and Trump was orchestrating a coup. Now Republicans are trying to convince everyone that wasn’t really a coup, and have you considered BLM and scary trans people? Meanwhile the Trump camp has their 900 page plan to efficiently make the federal government into a right wing arm of the Republican Party.
Polls a year out from the election. They have zero predictive value with regard to the ultimate outcome. Any pollster will tell you this. In fact, they have been telling us precisely this, but maybe not all of us are paying attention.
Great skills, giving a tiny fraction of the budget to vaccine research during a global pandemic that halted the economy. I’m sure no one else would have thought of that.
It wasn’t the giving money, it was the fast tracking in terms of regulations. Many people in Trump’s position would not have done that and would have waited the expected 18 months instead of the 11 that it actually took. Some in the industry were concerned as it was happening. Plenty of other countries dragged their feet in the approval process more than the US did.
Trump wasn’t single handedly responsible for the approvals. Far from it. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t know much of the details. But it still seems he was pushing for it where other people wouldn’t have. I’m not sure Biden would have. Trump likes to play fast and loose where Biden is a bit stuffier.
Yeah, Trump was big into genocide too, of the Yemenese. He personally vetoed a bipartisan resolution passed by congress to condemn the Saudis for their genocide in Yemen
But then we see the genocide of the Palestinians by Israel happening right now, and Biden not only enthusiastically reiterates his support for Israel but works to punishe anyone showing support and solidarity with the victims.
And that is why Biden is polling so low right now.
Trump was literally an average/slightly below average president, he just said the quite part that you’re not supposed to say out loud all the time. He doesn’t have anything on Andrew Jackson, Reagan or Teddy Roosevelt.
I’d swap out Roosevelt for Nixon - Teddy’s interventionism set us on a bad path, but at least we got national parks and antitrust laws out of it. Nixon was just pure shit show start to finish.
I remember when Biden invaded Ukraine and told Israel to attack Gaza. That was after he pulled the ‘housing price’ and ‘gas price’ levers in the White House, of course.
Hmm… which would I rather have, someone passive that doesn’t directly cause problems or an unapologetic fascist who uses Hitler-style language in his speeches and promises to open concentration camps?
But I’m sure you’re white, heterosexual, Christian and male, so you’ll be fine.
Because it’s calling Trump and Republicans racist and sexist? They’re the ones who want to oppress anyone who is not white, heterosexual, Christian and male.
Let me guess- it’s racist to call someone a racist.
Yes, and that very clearly says nothing about why you support Trump.
Your gaslighting will not make me accuse you of what you claim I accused you of and I think you’re aware of that, so I’m not sure why you’re bothering.
Well, Biden hasn’t done any of those things, but we need to accept the facts that he did block peace negotiations in Ukraine, he vetoed multiple ceasefires in Palestine, and he supported both conflicts by providing weapons.
I don’t know if trump would have been better, but we gotta admit that Biden actively did a terrible job.
Besides what you have already been told, there already was war in both Ukraine and Israel. Ukraine’s open military conflict with Russia has been active since at least 2014, and Israel has been in conflict with Palestine and neighbours since its foundation following WW2.
Wesern media not covering them until it was relevant to the US national interests and them not happening are entirely different things.
Yes, Russia invaded Crimea during Obama’s administration. Then, magically, during four years of Trump, they didn’t do anything. As soon as Biden comes into office, they’re back at it again. Weird how that works.
There were also no major incidents in Israel or Gaza during his term. Definitely no full scale invasion. Oh, but those mean tweets!
Holy shit you’re legitimately a lunatic, to be referencing fucking WE as a source.
Either way, nothing you’ve pointed to means Trump’s terrible economic choices for short term gains and long term disaster didn’t also impact gas prices, or even the majority of the impact.
Please, keep consuming anti-science brainrot and continue to persist in your white-supremacist echo chamber. I’m sure one day you’ll hate your way into happiness!
But Biden DID clamp down on domestic drilling (and canceled the Keystone pipeline). Is it anti-science to say that reducing the supply of a good will inevitably lead to rising prices?
You can argue that he did it for a good reason (to protect the environment and increase the sales of electric vehicles, for example), but you can’t argue that he didn’t take those steps without being aware of the effect they would have on prices.
Sure, he did one thing that likely did impact gas prices. That does not in any way mean that Trump’s fucking terrible economic policy isn’t a thing. It’s anti-science to deny climate change, which the WE does.
I never made the point that it didn’t affect gas prices, you failed to deny Trump’s impact on gas prices. This is how logic works, though I know it’s difficult for you.
I never made the point that it didn’t affect gas prices, you failed to deny Trump’s impact on gas prices.
Huh? You argued here that Trump’s $2 gas somehow caused Biden’s $4 gas. That is patently false. Trump made decisions that increased domestic production, which lead to lower prices. Biden reversed those decisions, which drove the prices up again.
Again, we can argue about the environmental impact of those decisions all we want, but this is simple cause and effect. Arguing that Biden had no agency in the higher gas prices is nonsensical.
I did not argue that point. I claimed that Trump’s dogshit economic policy was a major factor in today’s inflation, but I understand that reading and logic don’t come naturally to you. Trump made decisions that directly harmed the economy in the long run purely to make himself look better.
We cannot argue about environmental impact, it’s a fact. The fact that you even suggest that it’s arguable proves your own lack of intelligence, the same as you pretending I claimed Biden had no impact.
Deflection, ad hominem, deflection, ad hominem. Do you have any actual arguments?
You said, and I quote “Do you understand that the economy has momentum that takes years to fully manifest? We don’t live in a command economy, lmao.”
As soon as Biden came into office, he canceled the pipeline and put a moratorium on oil leases. Within a matter of months, prices started rising. Are you really saying those two things had nothing to do with each other, or that Trump was somehow to blame for this?
Plenty, but they appear to go over your head as you constantly dodge and pull whataboutisms.
Yes, I said that.
Trump isn’t to blame for Biden’s impact on gas prices. At the same time, Biden isn’t to blame for the disastrous economic policy of Trump that caused massive inflation and instilled purely incompetent people into stations like the Supreme Court. Gas prices have trajectory, if you can recognize that Biden has had a negative impact on gas prices then surely you can understand that Trump royally fucked the economy, along with Social Programs and steered the US towards fascism.
I’m not a Biden Stan, I think he’s a shitty lib. Shitty libs are better than incompetent fascists.
If your bit was sarcasm, then that makes more sense. Trump was not particularly good on Covid, but we would have had a big problem regardless of who was president at the time.
As someone from another side of the world 🌎 I have to say that it was quite funny. Like a memexplosion. Granted, he did fuck up everything possible, thus strengthened everyone else.
The only good thing he attempted was a TikTok ban. Should’ve been a short video ban
I cant believe how dysfunctional the us has become.
You actually voted for the biggest asshole and a retard to become president. He was wildly incompetent to the surprise of nobody. The country became a laughing stock. Secrets were leaked, justice compromised (even further), he attempted a literal coup. No, lets vote for him again.
We knew americans were dumb, but holy fuck. You need someone to protect you from yourselves because clearly your government is as caring as it is in russia. The entire population should be institutionalized.
It was always that bad, it was just better at hiding it in the past. Anyone who grows up poor has always known what’s up. There’s a reason the crooked rural sheriff meme exists… If it wasn’t for massive amounts of racism folks would probably recognize the same patterns in the cities.
It’s not new, it’s just that the dysfunction got so big that it started impacting the lives of white Liberals. Fuck, go read about native history in the US. They knew what was up from the beginning.
Fuck off with the “all Americans” garbage you fucking idiot. I don’t even care that it’s obviously bait, anyone who ever implies I voted for that can just end themselves for all I care. Suffering through this shit then being blamed by brainless retards
Nope. There’s nothing special about Americans just like there’s nothing special about any nation or large group of people. You have to be deeply ignorant of history to think otherwise. We’re all the same species and when things play out in specific ways it’s always for a similar set of reasons and circumstances.
As Dan Carlin would say, “it’s a human thing.” You think this kind of insanity can’t happen in your country because it hasn’t yet. But you’re wrong. It can and has happened, many many times throughout history, in various forms, all over the world.
Again, Americans aren’t special and you have to be deeply stupid and/or ignorant to think otherwise.
Maybe not now, but that’s not the point. The point is that we’re all human beings and what history shows us again and again is that as a species we are capable of talking ourselves into group-level insanity.
There’s nothing about history that should lead anyone to imagine that the capacity for group-insanity is somehow unique to any so-called “race” or national identity.
If you really want to argue that Americans are somehow uniquely subject to such things, you then have to account for the fact that a plurality of Americans are directly descended from European ancestry which in turn means that any difference has to be cultural as opposed to some kind of genetic quality innate to Americans.
The upshot here is not that the US is somehow unique, but is rather that the US is precisely what happens when Europeans take over a brand new continent peopled by civilizations that lack the technology and microbiology to resist.
Again, this idea of yours, that Americans are somehow unique or special, is patently absurd given what we know of history.
I see this take often and I see the same kinds of responses, but it’s really upsetting to see the main culprit is never mentioned.
Yes, some of us are just hateful, but most of the people voting for Trump are exposed to and consume wayyyyy too much propaganda.
Our media has failed us in sooooo many ways all to chase the Almighty Dollar™. We have literal entertainment networks masquerading as “News” because they’re allowed to act however they wish. We have actual “news” corporations acting like entertainment. We have Fox News and Newsmax straight up fabricating a reality for their consumers that is almost exactly the opposite of reality, and then we have CNN, MSNBC, etc, that would rather follow The Days Of Our Trumps T.V drama as opposed to actually doing hard news.
We have 1/3 of our population living in a fantasy reality, 1/3 being made to be enraged about an orange man’s dumb tweet instead of learning about potentially good candidates to vote for, and 1/3 that’s just apathetic to it all.
We have a gigantic media propaganda problem… We have no real press that the 1st amendment was made to protect, instead we have corporations that are taking advantage of those protections to do whatever they want to make the most money, to hell with what happens to the country…
Edit: all that to say, the people that we see as “OMG how could you possibly vote for him again, are you a monster?” Think “Trump was the best president ever, every news show or podcast or Facebook interaction I have had or watched says as much and proves it.”
Once again pointing out that Trump never won the popular vote. Yes, we need to abolish the Electoral College. It favors the right wing unjustly and undermines the will of the people when it does not align with the popular vote.
Lots of people voted for him, yes. I’ll make the argument that things will actually get better as the folks whose cognitive abilities are negatively impacted by a century of burning leaded gasoline start to die off. I believe it’s something like >95% of people born between 1945 and 1965 that have enough lead in their bodies to be cause for concern.Can’t remember exactly where I read this, but you can do your own Google-Fu.
Striking those last couple sentences and just outright saying that over 90% of the entire population born between 1956 and 1976 were exposed to enough lead to raise medical concern in early childhood, according to the table below.
I’m also back to throw in the table/material I’m referencing. If I’m going to make assertions, I should back them up.
If you want some idea of how little we cared about lead exposure, just look up the Tar Creek Superfund Site., which turned three nearby populated areas into ghost towns. It’s been reported that children would play on the enormous mounds around Picher, Oklahoma, and those things were covered in lead dust.
You should probably be aware that the cheeto never won a majority vote in America. Our democratic system is broken to the core though, and there is basically no way to fix it which is why he still won.
Along with that a good chunk, possibly majority of Americans is already more decent than you because we don’t use dehumanizing insults like the R word.
Several states have even proposed banning him from the ballot for his coup attempt, including mine. Unfortunately they are being tossed out, probably by judges that he put in power.
I think you would be surprised at how little power Americans actually have to affect change in our government. Short of dragging our knuckles and starting some uprising like his goons did, change can’t happen, and I’m not one to resort to that. I’d sooner head to Canada or Mexico.
Change would happen if 74 million Americans would grow a second brain cell and stop voting republican. If democrats were the only party winning elections, people would be more willing to participate in primaries or vote for a third party
It’s hilarious for all the “democracy” the US loves to “export”, it actually has a pretty terrible democracy. Wildly popular policies have no way to make their way to the government unless a rich person or corporation also lobbies for it.
Our democratic system is broken to the core though, and there is basically no way to fix it which is why he still won.
The biggest fixable issue is the whole thing where all electoral votes in most states go to one candidate. That is a thing that is fixable. Because that is a matter of state law. The problem being of course that most states don’t want to change that, because for most states it would mean less attention from presidential candidates because they’d be playing less of a role in determining who wins (by being worth a smaller, harder to shift margin). Convince every state to switch to the way Maine and Nebraska hand out electoral votes (2 based on statewide popular vote, one for each house districts vote - states get one elector for each member of Congress this assigns electors based on who would vote for that member of Congress) and the problem is mostly fixed (everything except not being able to win the presidency by just winning California and New York by large enough margins and having an average showing elsewhere). Importantly, it’s fixed in a way you don’t have to get most of the states to agree with all at once to make happen.
Abolishing the electoral college outright would require a constitutional amendment and those are intentionally very hard to do. An interstate compact to functionally eliminate it by getting 270 electoral votes worth of states to agree to assign their electors based on the national popular vote rather than anything at the state level is somewhat more doable but will also be legally challenged under the doctrine that the federal government is supposed to approve any interstate compact.
Several states have even proposed banning him from the ballot for his coup attempt, including mine. Unfortunately they are being tossed out, probably by judges that he put in power.
Any judge that gives a fuck about the law and the Constitution is going to toss those out, as they are premature. He’s a fuckwit that’s awful in all kinds of ways, but he is still due due process. Arguing 14th Amendment Section 3 applies to Trump requires arguing he has engaged in insurrection or rebellion or given aid or comfort to an enemy. Which he probably did, but “probably” is not generally a standard we punish or restrict people over, nor do we do that without due process and the only process so far in this case is “has been investigated and formally accused”.
This is one of the reasons that the Trump legal teams first and highest goal is to delay. If they delay long enough they can argue that the courts are being used as a form of electoral interference and possibly give Trump an election boost, if they delay even longer and he wins they can argue executive immunity. Because that’s the path with the best odds for Trump - he’s much better at manipulating crowds than at lying to judges.
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