Finally, someone else who gets it. It’s so weird that so many people think all Jews came from a single tribe at the edge of the desert. That’s not how religions work…
Because it’s both? Jews can be both semites (ethnicity) and followers of Judaism (religion). Not all Jewish people are both. To make things more confusing, not all Jews are zionists, and not all Israelis are zionists.
The mods here on lemmy.world needs to start taking stock of the fact that they give far, far too much leeway to the hasbara flooding this place with their pro-genocide bullcrap.
edit: It’s not the meme, nutburgers - it’s the comments.
I’m generally concerned that people on each side of the political spectrum seem to lack any respect for the other side. It is bad for democracy and is bad for freedom.
I keep seeing comments littered across lemmy but do you know what I don’t see? Reports. So many people complaining about lack of moderation and absolutely no one is helping with that. You are included in that. How do I know that? Because Lemmy mods are able to see who makes the reports. There are none from this thread in general (outside of a couple of people using the report as a complaint button) but also zero reports from you specifically.
If you want active moderation then I might suggest actually bothering to call us. We’re not omniscient and omnipresent. We need to be notified. Stop trying to blame moderators here when you are just as fault. We have other shit to do. If you see something, say something. You don’t get to complain about mods not removing the comments when you’ve been supposedly seeing them and not lifting a single finger to point it out.
Edit: This is priceless. I’m looking through the comments and yeah, there are a couple to be removed for sure. But the funny thing is that most of the comments I’m seeing that need to be removed are yours. You have been acting wildly uncivil throughout this thread. There are a couple other comments that need to be removed but no single user in this thread has more problematic comments than you. Now I see why you didn’t report anything.
The point still stands. All those categories are social constructs and we morally shouldn’t make them dictate our behaviors towards others and we should treat all human beings with respect and dignity regardless of how they look or which group they belong to.
Ok this is a legit question, not trying to troll or bait… Are there African or east Asian jews? Like Jewish communities in Ghana or Thailand for example?
"Jewish" gets used with the loose definition of "people who have been expelled from their homeland."
Judaism is the religion formed by the people who were expelled from Egypt. They left Egypt to settle in Israel and establish Judaism.
Over the years, Christianity and Islam gained a foothold in the region, until the UN shoved the inhabitants of Israel into Palestine.
Arguably, modern Palestinians, who largely practice Islam, are Jews.
This leads me to the question, is the term "antisemitic" specific to Judaism or does it cover other types of Jews?
Depending on the answer, you can call modern Israel antisemitic against Palestinian Jews, who want their homeland back, or at the very least to stop being oppressed in the place that they were exiled to. This would make anyone who supports Israel antisemitic.
Edit: Bonus funfact, there is almost perfect overlap on how "Jew" gets used and how "Gypsy" get used. The key difference is that Jews TEND to move from an origin to a destination. Gypsies TEND to have an era of transience. Some Jews get displaced more than once before they can lay down roots. Some Gypsies get displaced so many times that they just go full on nomad/caravan lifestyle and never really stop moving around.
"Gypsy" and "Jew" don't have hard universally accepted definitions, and both of them are derogatory terms. People who identified with (or who were identified as) either of the 2 were targeted equally during the Holocaust, Gypsies were just more efficient at getting the fuck out before being loaded into the trains.
You should never say "I really got Jewed/Gypped by that guy." Both are EXTREMELY offensive terms, and people got sent to ovens over those words being used on them. The Holocaust was not all about Judaic Jews.
That person really doesn't seem to know what they're talking about (Jews did not originate in Egypt, the UN didn't "shove" anyone to the land, Jewish settlement has been continuous in the region, and after decades of pogroms which culminated in the Holocaust, many who were in the diaspora ended up returning since they didn't feel safe anywhere else, but more importantly, like so many fleeing war and genocide today - were simply not welcomed by the "allies". There is also no such argument that anyone who lives on that land qualifies as Jewish, that's not how Judaism works, there are Israelis and Palestinians of all and no religion), I recommend reading some actual sources for yourself if you want to know more:
And of course I have to defend myself in advance - despite all of the above, I am not denying that the state of Israel is occupying some lands illegally, and is oppressing and ethnically cleansing Palestine.
Both peoples have a rightful claim to parts of that land (and will, eventually, have to share other parts, or all die trying to be the only ones in control), and all deserve to live peacefully side by side on their homelands.
Like I said I asked the question in good faith and did not mean anything negative. It was out of pure ignorance and the desire to correct that ignorance.
I think the prime example of your point of “being on this land doesn’t make you Jewish” is the hagie sophiea. It’s a ancient place of worship that has been “owned” by multiple religions over the years.
Oh, my criticism wasn't of you, but of the person who replied to you with a load of nonsense. People tend to ignore/simplify/skew the history to fit their agenda (or are too lazy to make the kind of effort you are to understand), so it's good to look at the actual documented history.
As for the Hagia Sophia comparison, I can see where you're coming from, but this is all on a much bigger scale, which by default makes it much more complicated t figure out. But the first step is wanting to know, and you're there, so good job!
Indian Jews are also the only ones amongst Jewish communities who haven’t faced any discrimination. Despite their presence in India for around 2,000 years.
Islam came about 1440 years ago. Muslims/ Arab empires ruled from Spain all the way to the borders of China and parts of eastern Europe for at least 800 years.
If they really hated jewish people they wouldn’t be any by now.
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“In 1656, all Jews were expelled from Isfahan and forced to convert to Islam because of a common belief that their Jewishness was impure.”
“in 1661 they were allowed to revert to Judaism, although they were still required to wear a distinctive patch on their clothing.”
You're missing one state solution. That's what's essentially going to happen as things go. They're depopulating gaza with the plan to eventually grant citizenship to the reduced population of Palestinians so they can maintain a jewish majority. West bank alone wouldn't cause a loss in majority, but Gaza would. They won't grant right of return. Though that is genocide.
Meh, if you can call the dhimmi status a peaceful life, yeah I guess.
Anyway as soon as a Jewish state was declared, all the Arab countries attacked it, I wonder why. So now they didn’t want Jews in their Arab countries, and they didn’t want them in their Jewish country. So where exactly were they supposed to live?
What do you mean colonial? Jews are indigenous to Judea and they’ve never left. All the lands were either bought to Arabs or conquered after wars that the Arabs themselves started.
Even in the first century, about half the Jews lived outside Judea and it went down from there. And it’s not like they were displaced by moslems. They just left.
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“In 1656, all Jews were expelled from Isfahan and forced to convert to Islam because of a common belief that their Jewishness was impure.”
“in 1661 they were allowed to revert to Judaism, although they were still required to wear a distinctive patch on their clothing.”
That's a right winger position on the one state solution. I'm not implying that's the only position, but that's essentially the path Israel is walking down right now. The left wing one state solution is much less problematic.
Of course it is the Jews’ fault, if they wouldn’t have existed, the Palestinians wouldn’t have wanted to kill them all and make Palestine Jew-free for the first time in 3,200 years.
Also people who think all all Jews are Israelis. My wife is Canadian Jewish, and she’s not very religious or political. I’m Latino and I know more about Israel than she does, but people sometimes try to put Israel’s baggage on her or her family because of their ancestry. She considers herself Canadian, and her Jewish heritage is a cultural one, not a location.
And African Jews in Israel are secretly sterilised by the state so that they can’t have children. Leading to a 50% birth rate decline compared to other groups
Reuben spoke to one woman who believed she had been given a flu vaccination and had no idea she had been injected with Depo-Provera.
Another was pregnant with her fifth child when she arrived in the transit camp, where she would live for seven years. The woman in her thirties told Reuben that officials had gathered together all the new mothers in the camp and told them they would be given Depo-Provera as it would be too difficult for them to give birth Israel.
"No, we didn't want to take it, we refused. We said we didn't want it," the unnamed woman recalls in the film. She agreed to the injections only because she was told her immigration to Israel would be blocked and she would receive no further healthcare in the camps if she refused.
"This happened to many, many other women," Reuben said.
Can you please edit your comment to reflect your source on this? For the record, I know the source and it’s just straight up factual with Israel outright confirming it happened, but yeah. Just to help prevent some reports. Thanks <3
I am not the person who made the comment. If you have an issue with wording of it, take it up with the commenter. As it stands, it does not violate any community rules.
If you have a problem with the content of the message, comment on that comment and take it up with that poster. As it stands this does not violate community rules and requires no moderator action.
I think you are missing the point. Jewish people who live outside of Israel can’t be beholden to policies set by Israel. Its also important to note that Jewish is both a religion and a race.
Don’t let the conflicts in Israel control your treatment of other humans. If we let hate overcome us we could end up with Holocaust type situations (it doesn’t even need to be Jewish hate)
Yeah, I’m confused. Depo-Provera is a contraceptive that needs to be administered every 3 months to prevent pregnancy. And it doesn’t end a pregnancy, it’s been deemed safe for pregnant women and women who (unlikely but possibly) become pregnant after an injection.
It also may help prevent some cancers of the reproductive tract.
Skeptical of the guardians article or the message that people are taking from it.
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