FiskFisk33,

This is not a zero sum game. there’s no competition. We can deal with both problems, we don’t have to pick a side.

snooggums,
snooggums avatar

Well yes, and the starting point is by dismissing the myth that the double standards are not applied to everyone. They are applied differently, but it is not something that only affects one group of people.

azertyfun,

Is that really a myth? Because it feels like the only time this point is brought up is to “dispel the myth”, not the myth itself which I frankly can’t recall having ever heard.

My theory is that it’s actually a mix of angry dudes feeling excluded because they weren’t explicitly included by women talking about their own struggles, and of the fact that men just generally don’t talk about their struggles. So the coverage feels disproportional and the only time the subject gets brought up it’s because some angry misogynist managed to weave it into an “us vs them” discourse.

Men’s mental health is a huge conversation to have but it’s extremely disheartening that in the mainstream conversation it always pops up through misogyny.
So in the spirit of actually doing something about men’s mental health, here’s some actual discourse on the subject

WillFord27,

Why did this get immediately downvoted, lol

snek,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Because it starts by making an assumption about men when they want to talk about their mental health… sounds a tad sexist to me tbh.

My theory is that it’s actually a mix of angry dudes feeling excluded because they weren’t explicitly included by women talking about their own struggles

Ah yes, that explains it, just a mix of “angry dudes” who feel “excluded”. Right… maybe they are just men who care about men’s health? Maybe it’s just men who think, “Oh, yeah, I see this body issue, actually I can relate because TV also set unrealistic expectations for me”…

But no, it’s the angry dudes, the sad dudes, trying to steal spotlight from women… -.-

Flughoernchen,

I think you got something wrong here. The comment talks about the “angry dudes” complaining that women would think men didn’t have this struggle. See very first statement in the meme. It’s about the myth not the real problem itself.

Whereas people actually participating in the discourse know very well those double standards apply to everyone.

fadingembers,
@fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Lemmy needs an r/menslib equivalent

spaduf,
ShaunaTheDead,
ShaunaTheDead avatar

There's a big difference in body image set by men for women and body image set for men by men

snooggums,
snooggums avatar

Every study shows that the vast majority of men are perfectly fine with a very wide range of women's bodies.

greencactus,

Can you link one of them you consider credible? I’ve never heard of that, tbh.

spacecowboy,

They said every study, so just find one, obviously. /s

HerbalGamer,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

Just do your own research! Every study counts so why shouldn’t yours? /s

KevonLooney,

Do you look outside and see men with women? Are those women all models? Or do they have a wide range of normal bodies?

You don’t need a study to prove what you can see with your eyes.

dangblingus,

The main difference is, unless you’re tragically born with shitty genes, guys can attain those bodies on the left with diet and exercise. Women on the other hand usually have to go to a different country to get discount surgery to look like a video game character so that chuds will pay attention to them.

Kalkaline,

You don’t have to live up to Hollywood standards, you just have to stop holding everyone else up to Hollywood standards. Just look at day time talk shows, those people have no problem finding a partner, and the only reason they end up on those shows is because they have no sense of shame.

Smokeydope,
@Smokeydope@lemmy.world avatar

abandon all hope ye who enter this comment section

inb4_FoundTheVegan,
@inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

This feels like “I’m 14 and this is deep” content.

It’s obvious that all Hollywood, social media and advertising models are not the average person. Are there really people that think men would be exempt from this? I doubt many.

erranto, (edited )

Same women and men who criticize those unrealistic overdosed body types, would either wet their pants if one of those man proposed to them, or are wishing to achieve those results themselves. you can’t resist animalistic urges. you won’t believe the amount of gyms I’ve seen pop up in my city since the arrival of Instagram almost a 3000% increase. and everyone you talk to has become a protein intake expert.

crackajack,

Robert Pattinson’s physique as Batman was criticised by the mainstream (mostly by incels) as not being ripped and is skinny, even though experts say his body in “The Batman” is the most realistic built most men would be able to achieve.

curiousPJ,

Not seeing the issue here, that’s ju5T DAD b0d. /s

pinkdrunkenelephants,

As if the fact that it happens to men means it doesn’t matter if it happens to women. “You, too” is now a valid form of argument.

🤦 You all are a bunch of kindergartners, I swear.

Buffaloaf,

Apparently no one is allowed to have body hair.

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Cavill almost always has chest hair. The only time I can recall seeing him without chest and stomach hair is in The Tudors.

randomaside,
@randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Because IT’S ILLEGAL!

/s

Anticorp,

What’s weird is that hairy chests were considered the sexy style in the 70’s and 80’s, and then it suddenly changed. I blame Arnold.

GreenAppleTree,

Looking at what the young uns are wearing these days (and the resurgence of mullets), I would put money on chest hair coming back within the next decade.

Anticorp,

I had a friend who shaved his chest and legs in the 00’s and it always seemed so weird. This was before the mainstream enlightenment, so he got called “gay” a lot. That’s kind of an odd reaction to it though, since he was doing it to attract women.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Women like femboys more than men

Anticorp,

He definitely wasn’t a femboy. He was a very masculine male. He just shaved his chest and legs. He used to be a Chip N Dale’s dancer when he was younger, so I guess the shaving behavior probably came from those days.

GoosLife,

It’s gonna have come and went before the decade has passed

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT,

Sure well defined muscles are aesthetically pleasing, but not nessa to be considered hot by most of the people you’ll date

ShortFuse,

Nessa? We channelling Jar Jar Binks now? (All in good fun, OP)

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT,

Haha meesa see what you mean. An old friend used to say it and I just like the sound of it

Lesrid,

Very true, in my experience lots of women like the idea of strength from big muscles but don’t really care to see the striated muscle fibers in a cut look. Hell some are turned off by the vasculature of my hands.

EDIT: Guys in comic books are ripped for the dudes reading them. I imagine the same is true for movie stars.

Cringe2793,

You really think so?

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT,

Varies by person but yeah. Look at all the bears and bookish nerds that people fawn over

Anticorp,

Oh everyone I know would love to date that. They just wouldn’t love the time and commitment required to build and maintain that.

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT,

Yeah I’m sure many of us would if it was just a pill you took lol

ILikeBoobies,

Really should be a legal requirement for a normal BMI to appear in media, then they wouldn’t be able load up on steroids

Rediphile,

But that would also eliminate all obese people from the media. Which is like 30%+ of the population.

ILikeBoobies,

And the massively underweight that women are supposed to aspire to

Whichever way you skew it, unrealistic bodies shouldn’t be there

Sunfoil,

That would be a side benefit of an otherwise bad idea.

andros_rex,

BMI is not a measure of health. It is a statistical tool.

Slatlun,

To further illustrate your point, most of the men pictured are likely ‘obese’ by BMI standards

ILikeBoobies,

Yes, welcome to the conversation

We aren’t talking about the health of these moviestars on roids, we are talking about the effects they have on viewers’ self image

madcaesar,

In case anyone is hoping to achieve the left side of the picture remember every one of the is on PEDs

dangblingus,

Idris Elba lookin skinny compared to the rest of them. Also, I don’t think that’s actually Ben Shapiro bottom right lmao.

hark,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

But aquaman is from the water.

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