Are moderators allowed to ban people and list a fake reason? This conservative has defamed me by listing the reason as homophobia. Kinda funny coming from a right winger lol. Is this acceptable on lemm.ee?
While mods should be able to ban for any reason, their reason listed should be accurate, IMO. Otherwise they’re just power tripping and that shouldn’t be allowed.
Who cares lol, if you suspect then just jump to another instance. You aren’t helpless. They could start banning people for writing an odd amount of vowels if they wanted to, and they’d be in the right.
Here’s my take on it- if you were posting in the conservative community you were looking for a fight. They post bad faith takes and misinformation with a ferocity that Russia would be proud of.
But what’s your expected resolution here? Lemm.ee is an instance built around curating your own experience. Clearly the conservative community is detrimental to your experience, so if I were you I’d stay away.
The only other alternative is lemme.ee admins step in, which goes against the philosophy of the instance
A lot of replies are missing the point. I know full well that sub is full of garbage and I don’t care I got banned. The issue is, why are moderators listing fake reasons on the public mod log?
Do not turn this site into another Reddit. I was permanently banned from Reddit because the fucking Russian shills cried over a comment I made about the war.
It's obvious everywhere. If anything it's often worse in the fediverse, because communities are smaller and extremists are more able to dominate the discussion.
I would like you to consider the possibility that people can both disagree with someone's stances on issues like how to treat queer people, while at the same time not wanting those people to be shot, bombed, starved, etc. There are a lot of people in the world who would see me killed if they had power over me. I am not compelled by that to want them to die, and can in fact want them to live happy lives that last for as long as they want to keep living, without control over the sort of life I lead or how long it lasts.
My comment history? Out of 2200+ comments how much did you have to cherry pick my profile to conclude I’m here to troll? Is it possible you’re just incredibly thin-skinned and can’t handle sarcasm?
I’m only interested in exchanges with people who have something to contribute, so I’mma have to block you and head out. Good luck with those reports, I’m sure they’ll affect my enjoyment of this platform greatly. 👋
Yeah that just confirms their troll status even harder. I love that they insta-quit the second they realized they were just giving me more to report hahahaha.
Mods can ban you from their community for any reason they want
Not saying you should have been banned but it’s his community to do what he wants with. Stamets banned me from c/Tumblr without warning for making a joke he didn’t like lol
You’re what’s known as a “good moderator” and frankly, I think most mods fit that description, too.
But you have the control of your community, that’s part of the appeal of Lemmy. Once admins start policing petty disagreements, we’re moving toward reddit
This isn’t a petty disagreement. I don’t care that I was banned. I want to know if it is acceptable on this instance to list a fake reason when banning someone.
The admin owns the instance the community is on, but the communities themselves are created by moderators. They can do whatever they want that doesn’t break the rules that govern the entire instance. Which includes banning users from their communities for any reason they want
No one is disagreeing that mods can ban for any reason. But if I link a reading comprehension course to someone in a reply, because they are dumb as fuck, are they allowed to put any reason they want there such as homophobia? If that is the case, I could ban someone for spamming their youtube channel but list the reason as ‘dropping n bombs’.
Here's the thing: no one's going to do anything about it, but technically this may amount to libel.
On reddit you're banned via private message, so no one knows why you'd been banned, even if the reason is bogus. If someone accuses you of something in a comment, you can defend yourself. You have the right to reply. But in the fediverse you're banned and if the mod does it for a made-up reason, that false reason is publicly viewable in the modlog without you being able to do anything about it. They've maliciously damaged your reputation without any recourse, right to defend yourself / right of reply.
Now imagine at one point OP's username is linked to their actual name. An employer does a google, finds they've been banned for homophobia. Some arsehole doxxes OP, and sends a picture of their being banned for homophobia to their employer. They're fired for allegedly being homophobic on social media. At that point, a good lawyer could potentially prove libel and damages caused. OP's clearly annoyed by all this. Now imagine someone with too much time and money on their hands.
It's real amateur hour shit. Sure being sued for libel is incredibly unlikely, but there are only downsides to not erring on the side of caution with stuff like this. Want to ban someone? Make up a generic or non-defamatory reason, or simply call them a dickhead, and go on with your day.
Stuff like this, the failure to respect GDPR/Privacy and NetzDG laws, a failure to properly deal with CSAM material... it's a ticking time bomb under the whole fediverse.
Moderators don’t own the community, but they own the community address - they have absolute control over it and can set the rules. If the community don’t like that, they’re free to move to a new address and make their own, with blackjack and hookers, etc.
The admin owns the instance, which in turn can overrule the moderators. If the community don’t like that, they’re free to move to a new instance, with blackjack and hookers, etc.
Basically the whole system was set up so everyone will eventually have blackjack and hookers.
Mods can be trolls, too. This one in question thinks that Trump is on his side because his income is in the top 5% (if I’m remembering correctly) which should tell you what kind of person he is
I’m not gonna dig through your profile or the mod log to see what kind of comments you left but I haven’t been banned despite the criticisms I’ve posted so id imagine imagine what you said was probably worse…so I totally get why he didn’t want you commenting there. Someone quoting Bible verses would probably get banned from c/atheism
I get why you’re annoyed if you didn’t post anything homophobic but I’d just drop it, shittalking on the conservative board isn’t worth your time especially because they’re certainly not gonna learn from it
Lol he claims his income is top 5%. He is also an army medic, fighter pilot, owns multiple properties across multiple states and spends 20+ hours a day on lemmy. I called him George Santos for all his accomplishments.
Kinda counterproductive though don’t you think ? If a person is that emotionally fragile they are not able manage things if they’re getting their feelings involved like that
Yeah, I really don’t give a shit that I got banned, it just seems fucked up you can list any reason you want and it shows up in the mod log. I can ban you and list racism, posting revenge porn, supporting animal abuse or whatever I want and it’s there.
like hello LOL where have you been dude lol? I mean that’s how a lot of them are just from what I’ve seen I mean they don’t care about being fair dude. it’s I don’t know and my personal opinion if you can’t be level-headed about shit and you are letting your emotions kind of dictate how you run your online community then I think that you’re a little bit too involved and you’re a little bit too emotional thinking instead of being rational. like it’s just an online community dude you’re not God okay I mean I know you may feel like that for a second when you ban people and shit, but it’s just really fucking lame and it shows that you can’t handle conflict very well and afraid of Confrontation. so I mean really what kind of community is that even going to be I mean like there’s not going to be any discourse cuz you’re just going to ban whoever for whatever reason right? I mean a stupid over here on our instance we’re pretty level-headed. we don’t do that shit just don’t violate the terms of service or post anything illegal.
Right, is that not fucked up? What kind of a community can you have with such an abusive mod stifling discussion because their jimmies are rustled?
I was banned once on that same community and I owned up to having broken a rule and deserved it. I’m back in it and haven’t broken the same rule, and admit I screwed up. But this user did nothing wrong except make mod big mad. That kind of power does the opposite of what services like lemmy are supposedly here to do.
Get banned for made-up reason X in publicly viewable modlog, without right of reply or recourse.
Get doxxed and username tied to your real world name.
Doxxers send screenshot of you being banned for X to employer.
Employer fires you for irresponsible use of social media.
Sue for libel and damages (lost revenue from prematurely terminated employment). Chance of winning probably zero, but a bored no win no fee lawyer, or someone with too much time/money won't care about that.
All quite implausible, but why any mod would take the risk when a generic reason will suffice or simple insult would suffice is beyond me.
It's similar amateur hour shit here on kbin. You can ask to have your account deleted, but it won't happen. If I was a dickhead, I could file a GDPR complaint. You only need to rub one arsehole the wrong way, to open yourself up to a whole load of entirely unnecessary bullshit.
Specifically a made up and false reason. None of what was banned in those screenshots were remotely homophobic. This particular mod is extremely ban happy and has resorted to using BS reasons to report those he doesn’t like.
I realize they’re allowed to ban people from their own communities, but shouldn’t their listed reasons at least be accurate?
But you have to remember here that there is no pre screening of mental and emotional acuity to be a moderate.
Nor are their behaviors held to account because most admins do the same.
A moderator acting out of personal dislike undermines the very purpose of a healthy online community: fostering open discussion, collaboration, and a sense of belonging
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