nifty,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

If both parties are reasonable people, there’s nothing wrong with vacating your seat so someone can have it if you’re done with that seat. It depends on how she asked because you’re not entitled to kindness or generosity if you’re a bully or rude. Since he seemed to have mind it, I am guessing either she asked rudely or he perceived rudeness in her ask.

stebo02,

It depends on how she asked

Everyone is saying this, but OP put the exact quote in quotation marks and it is clearly not friendly at all in any situation.

nifty,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I agree if that’s literally all she said, or I don’t know if he cut her sentence and only used the bit in his post that offended him.

I just know that sometimes if you look a certain way and dress a certain way people assume you’re rude no matter what you actually do or say. This happens a lot with young women because of sexism. Like if you’re not a soft spoken “good girl” you’re taken for a bitch.

stebo02,

That’s fair, we don’t know the exact situation so either she was actually rude or OP is exaggerating.

blueeggsandyam,

I don’t think there is a proper way to ask. Leave people that are eating alone so they can enjoy their meal. Even if you ask nicely, you are still putting pressure on the person eating. If you need to be seated a specific time go to a restaurant with reservations.

nifty,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, I think asking creates too many opportunities for conflict, so I agree.

brygphilomena,

By that logic, you shouldn’t ask anything ever. “Opportunities for conflict”?

There is no conflict if you accept a “no.” The impotus on preventing a conflict isn’t in the ask, it’s in accepting the answer.

brygphilomena,

“excuse me, I see you’re almost done eating. Are you planning on leaving soon? No? Okay, thank you.”

It’s not about the ask, it’s about taking the “no” gracefully.

QuaternionsRock,

Or you could just wait for a seat to open up and take it, because if you’re “asking correctly”, in which you aren’t pressuring anyone to leave, the end result would be exactly the same.

brygphilomena,

The result of getting a table or not remains the same, but knowing whether or not to pay attention to that table leaving is different. It could mean waiting for that table or going to another area in to see if another table is leaving or open.

Jeom,
@Jeom@lemmy.world avatar

i dont get why people are so against her, i totally see where shes coming from and you could prob finish your breakfast in 15 mins, its not like she did anything she just told him her situation.

mosiacmango,

She explicitly told him to “hurry up and finish so we can take your place” which is a ludicrous demand to a stranger.

You can ask politely if the stranger will be leaving soon, or even offer to pay for their meal with the condition that they leave, but making a demand of a stranger that has an exactly equal right to something that you want is very rude, no matter what appeal to emotion you couple it with.

PumaStoleMyBluff,

I do think it’s pretty rude but we don’t actually know that’s a direct quote, it might just be how the tweeter interpreted what they asked. If those actually are the words she used, then yes that’s inexcusable, but given twitter, I think that’s unlikely.

mosiacmango,

Knowing people, the above is easily a completely verboten quote.

noodlejetski,

verbatim

HerbalGamer,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

verboten

𝕯𝖎𝖊𝖘𝖊 𝕶𝖔𝖒𝖒𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖘𝖊𝖐𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖎𝖘𝖙 𝖓𝖚𝖓 𝕰𝖎𝖌𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖚𝖒 𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝕭𝖚𝖓𝖉𝖊𝖘𝖗𝖊𝖕𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖎𝖐 𝕯𝖊𝖚𝖙𝖘𝖈𝖍𝖑𝖆𝖓𝖉

ConstantPain,

Found the narcissist!

maness300,

This is a troll.

Krzd,
@Krzd@lemmy.world avatar

Would have been totally fine if she said “hey I have a friend coming in 15, do you think I could have your table then?”, but she didn’t. She decided to be arrogant about it so fuck her ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_°)⁠/⁠¯

gun,
@gun@lemmy.ml avatar

We really don’t know what she said because we’re relying on only one POV

ech, (edited )

There’s being nice, and then there’s being a pushover. Don’t be a pushover. This lady had zero manners or consideration of that person. 100% selfish. I see absolutely no reason to be accommodating to that.

Jeom,
@Jeom@lemmy.world avatar

i see no problem in people seeing my as a pussy, something like eating faster takes so little effort and shes not taking anything from me. its not like im trying to assert my dominance as someone big that wont be bossed around. i am happy as the way i am and something so small wont come close to touching my ego.

i know i might be part of the problem encouraging this behaviour but i aint got time for that. hanlon’s razor: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

CptEnder,

Low effort

DeepGradientAscent,
@DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev avatar

Gross.

someguy3,

My sister and I were eating at a popular bagel place (buy at front, find your own table). Finishing up, one of us stood up to put on a jacket, woman from a table at the side immediately comes over and sits down, staking the ‘better’ table. No hello, no may I take your seat, just a Karen sit n grab.

doingthestuff,

That’s when you sit in her lap and say oh I didn’t see you, I was just chilly and put on my coat - I’ll be here for a few more hours

Stupidmanager,

Ah, you’ve met my ex. She’s horrible at this, hovering or whatnot. I on the other had walk up, hey folks I’d really like to grab your seats after you’re done and just didn’t want to hover. Almost always get it.

z00s,

100% would give you my seat for asking politely rather than sniping

vynlwombat, (edited )

Seems like a cultural difference. Don’t be mad at her. Be mad at something else.

Edit: lol the amount of down votes I got is cracking me up.

xantoxis,

The fuck are you talking about? Nobody’s culture is even mentioned here. What do you propose we should be mad about that isn’t the rude person intruding on personal space without the slightest hint of a polite formality.

stebo02,

Yeah I’d imagine this is very broadly accepted in other countries, like Karenland.

vynlwombat,

Oh yeah I just re read this and it was totally stupid haha. Fuck that lady.

deadbeef79000,

(to staff) I’ll tip you $100 to string that hag along, keep feeding me coffee, come and “ask” me about operations when they’re in earshot and then tell her I’m the owner and will sit where I damn well want.

Son_of_dad,

If you’re the owner though, giving up your seat to a customer isn’t even a question, it’s a must.

Mango,

ROFL?!!

You must be a Karen.

meat_popsicle,

LOL you’re on crack. The whole point of owning a business is that you can do whatever the fuck you want (within the law). There is no requirement to give tables up to customers.

abigscaryhobo,

That’s the funny part, if I’m the owner, I can do whatever I want. “It’s a must”? Too bad, it’s my restaurant and I want to sit here. “You’re being rude to a customer” I’m being rude to this customer, too bad.

evranch,

Often the best thing you can do as a business owner is to “fire” your bad customers.

Often 90% of complaints come from 1% of customers. The amount of manpower wasted dealing with the complaints is not worth the sales - and these kinds of customers are always so shocked and appalled when you tell them that you don’t need their business.

yokonzo,

Depends on the owner

DragonTypeWyvern,

Especially if they’re rude to your other customers.

SpaceNoodle,

How do you know they’re incontinent?

yokonzo,

I don’t understand your comment

SpaceNoodle,

Depends, the adult undergarment, on the owner.

yokonzo,

Ahhh, i see, whoosh on me

Milk_Sheikh,

Negative. Owner can do whatever they want with their business. That kind of attitude enables and empowers the entitled Karens, and I’m very happy to frequent establishments where the staff isn’t harried and stressed af, even if it means I might have to gasp wait a few minutes at the host stand to be seen, or don’t get bent over backwards for

We’re all humans, the money in your pocket doesn’t entitle you to a rent-a-slave experience for a meal, and I’ve never worked a customer facing job a day in my life

Empricorn,

Or… what? Are you going to demand to speak to the business owner’s manager? Lol

Honytawk,

Even the employees don’t have to give up their seats to customers. Let alone the owner.

Son_of_dad,

I never said it was law, I’m saying you’re a shit business owner if you rather do “whatever the fuck I want” instead of making money off customers

9point6,

I think that’s a reasonable cause to call in sick

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

“I literally live here.”

unreachable,
@unreachable@lemmy.world avatar

“you’re in my domain”

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