So I wouldn’t actually want to be stuck in it forever. It’s hard to explain but my k-holes are quite dark and dreadful, it’s what I explained in my previous comment except looping. I don’t have a physical body anymore and I’m just a thought process floating through space in a stream of color. There’s this creeking noise like a door opening that starts off real low pitch and slowly speeds up to the point it’s high pich and extremely fast. Then it’s like hitting a wall and you fly in to a million pieces an slowly gather yourself in that state and then it repeats.
It feels like that is what you have been since the beginning of time. It feels like a near death experience and when i come out some kind of reverse psychology goes on in my brain. I just think about how much it would suck if that was real. My depression goes away for quite awhile afterwards.
Unfortunately it doesn’t matter if you want to or not. You are literally never going to die.
You can die in other people’s worlds, but not in your own. Other people will die in your universe, but your own life will, beyond all odds, only continue forever.
You’ll die in others’ universes of course. Other people will lose you. But you’ll never lose yourself.
No choice, pal.
But I don’t think you’ll be human the whole time. Human lifespan is a century or so. So the story of your life will have to change to account for your survival. Eventually, no human story will suffice any longer. In these other timelines where you survive, you may be uploaded into a machine, or possibly disconnect from your body via astral projection, or wake up in a simulated universe instead, with different laws around death.
But at some point during the eternity, you’ll probably be the disc of light. I’m guessing trillions of years out, after the heat death of the universe has rendered it incapable of supporting any kind of life as we know it.
This is something I recently learned, actually. That we’re immortal.
Whenever I do nitrous, I see this same truth. The truth is that the universe has four phases. Being high on nitrous and seeing the structure is one of the four states.
There’s some kind of four-phase clockwork thing chugging along. Normal existence I think is one of the states?
I can’t remember. All I can remember is being astounded, every time, that I’m back in the “aware of what’s going on phase”, and I struggle mightily to remember the lesson, knowing I won’t be able to because the next phase is defined by my ignorance of it.
It’s maddening.
I’d love to do some serious ketamine sometime. I did a little line at a party once in 2006 and that was for my ketamine experience. It was a tiny bump and didn’t really affect me much. Nothing even remotely psychedelic, that I recall.
At that same party I did a huge hit of fucking homemade habanero extract (on purpose) and that was way more mind-blowing.
I’ve been there too. I saw the singularity and touched god… and I’m a goddamn atheist. Coming back from that experience changed me. The memories were fleeting. I couldn’t remember the specifics after I returned to baseline. All the knowledge that I was given dissipated… but the overwhelming sense of calm persisted.
Perry had been undergoing ketamine infusion therapy prior to his death, reportedly for depression and anxiety. The toxicology report adds: “At the high levels of ketamine found in his postmortem blood specimens, the main lethal effects would be from both cardiovascular overstimulation and respiratory depression.”
He was getting it as treatment, but technically yes
He was definately taking it recreationally too, a therapeudic dose wouldn’t even be close to enough to OD on. Long term ketamine use can have it’s own risks if the dose isn’t kept very low.
When Friends was current I wasn’t a fan, the small bits I’d seen mostly annoyed me and - disaffected gothy teens/early twenties guy that I was - I dismissed it as one of those things everyone in the mainstream liked and was therefore obviously garbage.
Nowadays I’m married to a Friends fan who has begun showing me the series. As we progress through the box set I’m realizing it’s actually pretty good, a couple of the characters actually still annoy me when they’re focused on but there’s a ton else going on that’s pretty entertaining. I’m particularly surprised to be enjoying Chandler so much.
It’s very sad what Matthew Perry went through in life and how he died, but I’m now belatedly appreciating some of the work he did.
you can’t just do that mate, same with Seinfeld, they were filmed in front of a live audience, they had to stop for laughter otherwise you wouldn’t hear what they are saying.
or are you gonna come out and say Seinfeld isn’t hilarious?
I’m still not sure I’d call it good, but it was a big step up from sitcoms before it. It tried pretty hard to not be sexist, and introduced some diversity that wasn’t just John Ritter pretending to be gay for lulz. It is still spectacularly unrealistic, but whatever. It’s a sitcom! It does have some genuinely funny moments.
I still periodically get “Smelly Cat” stuck in my head. Fuck, I’m guilty of making Ross-esque synthesizer music…
Very true. There are also definitely still some 1990s-era LGBTQIA+ phobic jokes which were wrong then and really stick out now, but in general I’d call the writing surprisingly decent.
As a New Yorker, though, I still couldn’t afford that apartment in a million years.
Disregarding all the other stuff, the reports say he was being treated with ketamine for anxiety and depression. He had decades of mental health struggles.
No matter who the person is, he was still a person.
If only there were some world-wide interconnected network of computers full of more information than you could possibly imagine, all of it searchable instantly where you could find out who Matthew Perry was.
I remember the world pre-pocket (or home) internet. We thought access to information was the core issue of people being ignorant/misinformed/stupid, surely instant access to world libraries with all the cumulated human knowledge would alleviate that.
Because you wrote to me directly, as opposed to the person that posted the article. Also, it’s entertaining me that you’re desperately hoping someone says what he’s well known for so you can say you don’t waste your time with pop culture garbage
I had no idea about what ketamine actually is, It seemms most likely to me that it was administered via IV by a MD, no? Wasn’t this manslaughter by the doctor, then?
Takes note: Don’t do horse-tranquilizers alone in a bath, check. As a matter of fact don’t do any analgesic/anesthetic with additional drugs in a bath, also check.
Calling them horse tranquilizers is misleading. Ketamine was and still is used in medicine and is on the WHO list of essential medicines.
My cat is prescribed gabapentin. Some even get tramadol. Warfarin literally was rat poison until we got all but the craziest SOBs with an abundance of vitamin K in they’re veins.
If I say I’m serving cat food for dinner, and then whip out a nice piece of salmon sashimi, I wasn’t being misleading because cats eat fish? If so, you’re really killing some of my dad jokes here.
Yeah, I feel like there is a war on K because it can absolutely replace opiates in pre-hospital pain management. Break a leg? Let the medics hit you with ketamine. Oh, your BP is a little low? No worries, ketamine doesn’t care.
It is better than an opiate with none of the contraindications. And I’m oversimplifying, but I can’t help but think some of this news coming out is almost a hit piece to dub ketamine dangerous, when it is, in fact, magnitudes safer than opiates.
Hot tubs + drugs don’t mix. Even alcohol is dangerous because the effect of the hot tub increases the effects. We bought a hot tub recently and they’re are dozens of warnings about drugs/alcohol.
My recommendation to Elon would be to have a nice big dose and take a long dip.
He is not just truckin’ along. The man looks like someone’s aunt is trying to build mass. He looks like an uncooked weisswurst got a planet fitness membership. He is a torso made manifest. Hair plugs and ozempic riding the right-wing-pipeline down a k-hole.
Im fairly certain that what I’m about to say will be disliked by ketamine users and abstainers.
Ketamine is garbage at everything besides temporarily lobotomizing people. It works for it’s many uses because it makes the user stupid. It’s often given to suicidal people, not because it’s a miracle drug, but because it incapacitates them in a safe manner.
That said, it’s great at making people too stupid to be able to hurt themselves, most of the time. It’s great at numbing psychological pain because the user will be too stupid to conceptualize their own thoughts or realize where they are physically.
It’s also hard on the urinary system and has a fleeting high.
If you like ketamine then by all means, you do you. If you may be interested in trying ketamine, become a zombie safely, just don’t expect it to cure your depression, woes, or any of your other problems.
Yeah, I’m gonna take the peer reviewed studies results that show that ketamine is quite effective with relieving drug resistant depression over this post of yours…
Ketamine is garbage at everything besides temporarily lobotomizing people. It works for it’s many uses because it makes the user stupid. It’s often given to suicidal people, not because it’s a miracle drug, but because it incapacitates them in a safe manner.
This quote from you contradicts what you’ve just said.
It doesn’t. I can speak to it’s mode of action without speaking to it’s reason of use or efficacy. It’s highly effective. It’s great at what it’s used for. It also temporarily makes the user stupid and incapacitates them.
You didn’t though. You used a blanket statement. As evidenced by your use of the word “everything”. Your entire initial comment reads as if it was written in the grip of anti drugs hysteria in the 1950s and shows none of the nuance you’re now trying to claim it does.
You’re also wrong on its mode of action, so you’re not even speaking to that. It doesn’t work by making the user “too stupid to conceptualize their own thoughts or realize where they are physically”.
It also doesn’t make you stupid, it is a disassociative anesthetic so you lose touch, to varying degrees, of your senses. At high enough doses even your sense of hearing becomes strange and I would bet if my doc gave me more it would fail almost completely. That’s not a place I want to go however.
Despite that, and appearing to be incapable of coordinated movement or speech, the mind is still active. Altered, yes. But active and intact. I am always aware of my partner in the room/bed with me, the dog checking things out, I just choose not to interact with them to continue exploring memories, or alien landscapes, or just turn off my mind, listen to the music, and let the drug work while the most fantastic and surreal images come and go.
I’m here today because of ketamine. Disinformation and pearl clutching threatens to reduce access to it, and could cost lives, speaking only of this one niche use.
So you sound like someone with some experience using drugs (particularly those of psychedelic or hallucinatory nature), right?
So you would know that drugs effect everyone differently. Personally, I never abused ketamine, but I have k-holed a handful of times, and my personal experience was that it had a profound effect on me in many ways.
But that’s just my personal experience. Nothing more, nothing less.
Anyway, those who know, know MXE (methoxetamine) was way better for that brief period of time before the supply permanently dried up.
I’m not trying to diminish anyone’s experiences with ketamine, or reduce anyone’s access to it, though I do think it’s funny everyone thinks that some asshole on the internet has that ability.
Are you able to stand up when using ketamine? How about run? Could you tell me your personal details such as name/date/address? Could you tell me the time? Could you remember your mother’s phone number? Could you take a bath? Could you safely use a knife? Could you melt into nothingness and lose all sense of self, physicality and emotion?..wait strike that last one. Of course you could.
Now we’re at the point that we all realize dissociation is to become stupid and incapacitated. Anesthitized even?
Ahhhhh, so you did come back to say more dumb stuff. I literally baby sat a group of friends on the stuff two weekends ago. Sure, they said some amusing things, but at least 95% of what they said was perfectly coherent and made sense. As evidenced by one of them saying “you know you’re getting old when you have more cos you’re lower back starts to ache”. By your description, that should not have been possible. Yet it was. Sure, you enter a k-hole and you’re good for nothing, but most K experiences don’t enter that and people can function fine enough on it - like most drugs the intensity of effect is dose dependent. But like I said in a previous comment, you seem to be stuck in the 1950s and their anti drugs hysteria.
Your friends were so stupid on ketamine that they needed a babysitter.
Let me just point out a few things. You could have said “in that case, all drugs make you stupid” which would have been totally valid. You could have said “at the dosage necessary to incapacitate someone, of course they would be stupid”, which of course is valid.
The whole point of my very first comment was to poke at people who love ketamine, and also those who read studies about ketamine and proceed to spread it like gospel.
There isn’t a recreational drug that exists that makes anyone temporarily smarter. They all make us temporarily more stupid. For some reason drug users get real uppity when you point that out, especially about their drug of choice. That’s not to say that something can’t be taken from the experience that helps someone, or that might inherently make them smarter or self aware. I was just simply stating that when on that drug, you are more stupid. I think that’s a lesson that a lot of drug users should be more aware of.
I’ve seen a lot of dumb shit happen because someone was mislead about a drugs effects. Hell, I have some K in a stash right now, but let’s not misguide people into thinking they will just be coherent floating brains. They may also be floppy dumb messes that may need babysitting for 45 minutes. Will they be just as smart afterward? Probably. But for those 45 minutes they are going to be stupid.
Good on you for being a trip sitter. You’re good people. People deserve to try drugs in a safe manner and that’s what leads to good experiences. Those good experiences are what those stupid people deserve.
I mean, that’s one way to interpret it. The way I intended it was that they were smart enough to have a sober friend with them in case of issues and it also meant they had a sober ride home that wasn’t gonna cost them a shit load in taxi/rideshare charges. Were all almost 40yo. We’ve learnt our limits. We respect them. We have fun. Hell, I’ve seen one guy balls deep into a 3 day MDMA binge jump onto his work laptop and legit solve a problem. To be fair to you, as he said himself “that was way harder than it should’ve been, and realistically I shoulda done it in half the time. But fuck. I did it”. And I think he nailed it right there. Like, yes, drugs alter you you and they can do it significantly. But they don’t all make you dumber. More impulsive, less guarded, all that shit. Sure. But they don’t all make you dumb. People have literally had scientific breakthroughs that had stymied researchers for decades cos of drugs. Sure,the list isn’t long, but it’s happened pretty regularly.
I have no dog in this fight, but any studies done on brain chemistry and psychological effects need to be taken with a grain of salt. We know so little about the brain and consciousness that most of the stuff we’re trying and doing are educated guesses.
Yeah but I don’t like when peoole see one study and then claim that it’s conclusive. The consensus is that there may there might be something to it being useful for depression, and it should be studied further. No high confidence.
It is useful in creating a sense of disassociation of self - the same thing that meditation does. It even affects the same regions of the brain as meditation. When used carefully, with therapeutic intent, it can be an effective treatment for depression.
Recreational use is sketchy, definitely. But the science is there for using it therapeutically.
I judge my desire to try drugs by how people act when they’re on them. Do they look like they’re having fun at least? Two drugs I’ve never had an interest in:
Same here. I had some good nights drinking and gaming. Still doesn’t beat toking or eating edibles and gaming though but I’ve been abstaining for over a year lol
That’s unfortunate. The effects of many drugs can be entirely mental rather than visual, leaving the person looking like they’re just laying down with their eyes closed, or staring into space.
Particularly, ketamine, as a dissociative, at higher doses, is entirely in your mind. What a person in that state looks like from the outside is zero indication of what they are experiencing.
It’s not unfortunate. To me drugs are entirely unnecessary to begin with. And if I choose to use them it’s to enhance an activity, not to replace an activity or be an activity on its own. I’ll be fine.
Well that’s not what we were talking about though, was it? We were talking about you judging people based on how they may look while under the influence. That’s ignorant.
Also, I find this to be amusing:
To me drugs are entirely unnecessary
Uh huh, so I guess antibiotics are off the table? I sure hope you don’t die from a minor infection. Hope you never get diabetes or high blood pressure. No cough medicine or allergy medicine either, that’s annoying. I hope you don’t have any serious allergies, because EpiPens sure as shit count as “drugs”.
To each their own for sure, but that right there is a combination for some very strange times. Sometimes fun is becoming part of the couch and traveling into outer space. They’re definitely not all get up and dance and have fun, though.
Hmmm, I don’t know the second one but mdma is great fun. Of course you have to be in a good state of mind before trying, but it’s a potent empathogen that has its uses.
One of the most fun nights of my life is when I went to visit a friend at his university, we took some and he immediately ended up with some girl and disappeared on me.
So I decided that I would just wander his campus looking for parties. I took shots with frat boys, danced with some gays guy out dressed in drag, played chess with some guy on the quad (he would have destroyed me even if I was sober), found another friend and went and partied with her and her lesbian friends (“wait you’re a lesbian now?” “Maybe not sure”) and then made the biggest mistake of my life when I turned down joining them when I was making a hasty exit after I noticed one of the girls was eating the other out right next to me on the couch.
My experience is very vanilla coming after yours, but we had some of that and spent the entire night in my last floor apartment just chatting and drinking looking at the sea. It was full moon too. At one point I must have thought it was around midnight, I peeked at the east-facing window in my room and a big ball of fire was burning on the horizon. Time really flew this night…
You’d be shocked by how many very successful and incredibly intelligent people have used drugs (including MDMA). Many still use them regularly. MDMA, in the right setting and in moderation, can (will) be a life-affirming and beautiful experience.
This honestly sounds like something a child would say after having D.A.R.E. in elementary school.
I know people like this. Though I should probably define regularly as once every few weeks for k. Probably closer to like 2 to 4 times a year for MDMA. Obviously if you’re doing stuff every day then you won’t be productive in a job
And yes, I know plenty of people like that. And chances are, so do you. You just don’t know it.
Edit; in case you’re young, I don’t want anyone to take this as evidence that “drugs are ok”, or “they lied to us about cannabis/MDMA, so that means they lied about heroin too.” No. This is why we’d be much better off if they were just honest from the beginning. Not all drugs are created equal, but also the classification system in the US (and most modern nations) is not necessarily based on potential harm.
So to be clear, my comment is not necessarily true for all drugs, I am specifically referring to MDMA right now (which, before becoming illegal, was used by doctors to great effect as an aid in couples’ therapy).
MDMA not worth it? It’s euphoria and love in a pill, not addictive, and quite safe when you do not abuse it. Millions of people use it and have been using it for about half a century and the vast majority of it restricts it to when they’re partying with few side effects. I think you misjudge its use a bit.
Yes it can be acutely abused because you’re chasing the dragon on nights that you do use it, but that is also a result of its illegal nature and a lack of education.
Of the chemical variants of drugs, I’d say it’s probably one of the few that is actually worth it, besides LSD.
Yeah, I try to tell people that there’s value in MDMA beyond just a night out dancing. My favorite times have been on a couch with friends, getting deep into one another and kind of exploring your minds. I’ve had some incredibly important and memorable conversations with people that I was able to become very close with because MDMA let us drop the walls and talk about things, which is something I cannot do face to face with someone sober. And I’m not an introvert by any stretch, I have no problem being the center of a conversation, I have no problem listening to others, but opening up about personal issues was something MDMA let me do, and say things I never could put into words.
I’ve also stood in front of a wall of speakers and had bright lights and bass music thrown at me, and that’s also fun.
To expand on the urinary issues ketamine causes, the problem is that ketamine will recrystallize inside your blatter and ketamine crystals can be pretty sharp.
I would add to this that anyone doing ketamine should not do it in the bath, which seems to be what happened here. The same happened to someone I knew, she drowned in the tub.
Yeah, “don’t k-hole in the bathtub” seems like pretty good (and hopefully obvious) advice. This seems more like user error than the acute effects of the drug itself.
He didn’t die from overdosing on ketamine, because that’s nearly impossible.
Damn, I did not know Ket could depress respiration like this! In fact Ket is used medicinally in place of opioids as it doesn’t depress respiration. But here is the TIL part: it should not be mixed with benzos or alcohol (or other depressants I would imagine). I don’t use bu I hope someone who does get to read this.
ketamine is anaesthetic and was used in the past in combat medicine and such, because it is quite safe when administered by untrained staff. the fact it is used to treat depression is new to me, but getting in the pool while high on it is the most stupid idea ever :(.
He was in the bathtub and drowned. If you take enough ketamine, it will literally incapacitate you (for many, that’s the entire point). He did this in a bathtub.
He did not die from overdosing on ketamine, because that’s nearly impossible. He was stupid and incapacitated himself in a bathtub and drowned. It sucks, and it’s easy to just blame a chemical.
I’m sure there are people who die after having a couple drinks and getting into the tub, but do we then say that they “died due to the acute effects of alcohol”? No. We say they drowned.
It’s how Elijah McClain died too. Young kid stopped by police for matching the description. They shot him full of ketamine and he died of respiratory failure.
Can’t recall all the details, but the impression I got was his respiratory failure was caused by the officer choking him with a knee on his windpipe. EMTs did give a very high dose of ketamine at 5mg/kg body weight, whereas I usually use 0.5-1mg/kg body weight to put patients under surgical anesthesia.
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