afraid_of_zombies,

I imagine there are a whole mess of asterisks on this factoid.

girlfreddy,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Who knew that wolves in Chernobyl would develop the cure for cancer?

What a crazy thing to happen!

LemmyKnowsBest,

So… Are you suggesting that the cure to cancer is to be born as a wolf in Chernobyl?

Thanks, I’m cured!

Rapidcreek,

In Ukraine, so Mutant War Wolves

There are mRNA treatments in test that have near 100% effectiveness in mice.

Corngood,

That’s what I’ve been trying to do with alcohol.

thefartographer,

How do you make cancer-resistant wolves with alcohol?

prettybunnys,

Very very carefully.

avidamoeba,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

With consistency.

5714,

Brewing at the moon

LemmyKnowsBest,

Drinking in Chernobyl is the cure to alcoholism?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Most Russians too.

Wooster,
@Wooster@startrek.website avatar

The researchers discovered that Chernobyl wolves are exposed to upwards of 11.28 millirem of radiation every day for their entire lives - which is more than six times the legal safety limit for a human.

Ms Love found the wolves have altered immune systems similar to cancer patients undergoing radiation treatment, but more significantly she also identified specific parts of the animals’ genetic information that seemed resilient to increased cancer risk.

gregorum,

So, is it that they have adapted to the radiation, or that they’re more resistant to cancer? What is the biological and or medical differentiation between these two things, because the article doesn’t really explain that.

I mean, I understand if the answer is, “yes,” but there must be a more meaningful different different differentiation between these two processes. I know I’m asking as a lay person, but is there anyone here who can explain this a little more clearly for the rest of us?

scratchee,

Is there a difference between the 2? If cancer is the main side effect of this level of radiation exposure, then being more resistant to cancer is also being more adapted to radiation.

Wooster,
@Wooster@startrek.website avatar

Say you did a study that discovered that folks who actively run are statistically unlikely to have respiratory issues. How much of that is because being physically active acts as a kind of preventative maintenance vs how much of that is a kind of self culling, where folks with respiratory issues are unlikely to seek exercise.

The end result is ultimately the same, but the mechanics behind why are different.

Is the wolves’ natural cancer resistance just kicking into over drive, or is natural selection happening?

gsfraley,

I guess it comes down to the transition point. If they’ve adapted in that they’re resistant to cancer developing or spreading in general, that has implications on what can be done to make humans resistant. If instead they’ve adapted to be less likely to get cancer from radiation levels that high, it’s less useful, since most people generally aren’t exposed to those levels.

DocMcStuffin,
@DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world avatar

Found an npr interview with the researchers that provides more insight: Why wolves are thriving in this radioactive zone

CAMPBELL-STATON: So in general, we found that the fastest-evolving regions within Chernobyl are in and around genes that we know have some role in cancer immune response or the anti-tumor immune response in mammals.

CAMPBELL-STATON: The major question that we had was, is there selection happening? Our data clearly show that there is a genetic component - you know? - and a significant and strong genetic component. That does not mean that the entire story is based around genetics.

BARBER: This might be why the wolf population is thriving. After generations of developing a resilience or resistance to cancer, they’re now successful apex predators in an area once devoid of much other life. But Shane says, even if natural selection is at play here, there’s another big factor at play.

CAMPBELL-STATON: The other thing is humans aren’t there, right? A wolf within the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone - it may have to deal with pressures from cancer, but it doesn’t have to deal with pressures from, say, hunting. And it may be that the release from that hunting pressure - that separation from humans - turns out to be a much better thing than having to deal with cancer, which is kind of messed up.

BARBER: So when you think about that initial conundrum - why is the wolf population in Chernobyl estimated to be seven times denser than in other areas? - it’s hard to know exactly why. Maybe wolves with cancer-resistant or -resilient genes are naturally selected. Maybe they just don’t need to worry about humans. Cara and Shane say it’s probably a bit of both, but they hope to take more trips to the CEZ to figure this out. And they also think that if they’re able to identify the genes responsible for this cancer resilience or resistance in wolves, it could inform human cancer treatments.

gregorum, (edited )

thank you.

see, the human brain will, by habit, try to make sense of something that doesn’t fit a pattern. however, it has an inherent weakness in its otherwise very powerful pattern-matching engine: it automatically tries to search for a “magic bullet” solution to every problem. That is: for every problem, no matter how complex, the human brain always assumes there’s only one, single cause.

Now, normally, that’s true when the problem is a simple one. The principle of cause and effect generally means that cause A leads to effect B. However, in complex systems, cause A can lead to effects B and C, which lead to effects D-F, and so on… The problem then presents itself when some people can’t understand how some problems have more than one cause - or, especially, many, systemic causes, and, thusly, more than one solution, especially when a problem has to be solved with more than one solution at once and/or over time, repeatedly and even regularly.

The problem here is that, then, individuals and society at large, just kind of short circuit, and give up on even solving the problem at all. It’s very sad. A great example of this is the problem of homelessness. Another is our crazy problem with healthcare. Or gun violence or racism, or immigration. There are many other examples of deep-rooted systemic issues that don’t have any single solution, and because they don’t, the American people simply can’t wrap their heads around figuring out a solution because they involve multiple complex steps to address multiple complex issues.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Who knew the Children of Atom would be right?

gregorum,

They weren’t. The radroaches and ghouls, on the other hand…

5714,

on the other hand

I see what you did there.

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