swordgeek,

Fuck Oprah.

Her sanctimonious bullshit brought us Dr. Oz, Dr. Phil, and Jenny McCarthy.

Her ‘listening platform’ has probably lead directly to the deaths of tens of thousands of people.

IDontHavePantsOn,

Would you rather, receive open heart surgery performed by Oz, Phil with Nurse McCarthy, or receive lethal injection administered by Dr Phil?

This shouldnt be a hard question, but…

bobs_monkey,

I’d rather go play on the expressway

metallic_substance,

Nah, nah, nah. Easy choice. I’d go with the lethal injection because I think that there’s a much greater chance Phil would fuck up killing someone (easy, all things considered), rather than the three of them succeeding in something difficult. Simply because none of them are qualified to do anything but blather idiocy into a camera

Augustiner,

Iirc Dr. Oz used to be quite the renowned heart surgeon. Makes it even more tragic that he chose this life as a charlatan giving harmful advice, instead of using his talent for good.

frezik,

Right, Oz had a specialty he was really good at. Phil was always a grifter.

cmbabul,

Everyone who’s watch scrubs knows that surgeons are only good at cutting

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I would definitely let Dr. Oz do heart surgery on me. Similarly, I’d definitely let Ben Carson do brain surgery on me.

And the second either of them started talking about anything other than my surgery, I’d tell them to shut the fuck up.

Gork,

They’ve been out of the medical field for so long though. I wouldn’t trust them to know the current State of the Art in their fields. A lot has changed since they last practiced.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That is a good point.

Chozo,
Chozo avatar

"But she's so empowering!" the fans will say, nevermind the fact that she only seems to "empower" fraudsters.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

“Empowerment” is the free square on the Buzzword Bingo card.

ShepherdPie, (edited )

I believe she’s also the largest one of the largest land owners in Maui where many locals are facing homelessness due to the fires.

Edit: she owns around 1000 acres.

BothsidesistFraud,

No. The State of Hawaii is the largest landowner on Maui, followed by the real estate company Alexander and Baldwin. Do not spread misinformation please.

LibertyLizard,
@LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net avatar

Weird framing in the headline. Like taking weight loss drugs is some kind of scandal?

dannoffs,
@dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Taking weight loss drugs is not a scandal, taking weight loss drugs while being on the board of a commercial diet program is.

LibertyLizard,
@LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net avatar

But why?

EdibleFriend,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

www.weightwatchers.com/…/weight-loss-medication

A commercial diet program that sells drugs tho?

gregorum, (edited )

Only after they themselves admitted that nobody in this country has the self-control to eat a balanced diet, which used to be their main product, as odd as that sounds.

Wogi,

Diet programs that you pay for are designed to cause you to fail on your own.

It’s not that no one can eat a balanced diet, it’s that there’s a huge financial incentive to them to keep you from learning to fend for yourself.

Weight loss isn’t easy. You can shoot off the mechanics of just eating less and sure, anyone who eats less than they normally do will lose weight. If it were actually that simple no one would ever struggle. There are underlying emotional issues, motivation issues, cravings, fear, habits, social pressures, and any number of unnamed complications that keep people fat. A super restrictive prescribed diet is probably what’s in order but you can’t just pull the trigger on that and expect it to stick. Whatever program that happens to be. All of this leads to cycles of trying and failing to lose weight. Sometimes you take a few pounds of, sometimes you take a lot of pounds off, then you stop and gain it all back.

Weight watchers, and programs like it, prey on that cycle of failure. The weight loss drugs are only another symptom of that

gregorum, (edited )

Weight Watchers really wasn’t. It was an all in and group related program that existed since, like, the 50s. It was an invested program that was really honestly designed for you to succeed.

Things had probably changed since the late 90s and early odds, however. But the entire program was really designed to get people on a program of eating low calorie meals and to get people into the habit of eating low calorie meals on the long-term. It was probably the one, stand out program, that honestly worked Well for the people who actually stuck to the program.

That was the point of Weight Watchers. It was designed to train people to do the one thing that actually worked to lose weight: counter calories, and eat, reasonably sized and reasonably portioned meals. Even after you stopped buying the Weight Watchers branded meals, you would know to counter calories, and only eat as much as you should eat for each meal. As many calories, and as reasonably sized portions. It trained people to eat as much as they should eat. That’s why it was so successful for over half a century.

It’s too bad that, nowadays, it’s a bunch of bullshit like anything else. But, for over 60 years, it actually was a real thing that worked for a great many people.

Dictated by Siri, but not Redd

KevonLooney,

I don’t know why they didn’t branch out into exercise equipment and videos. Those were very popular in the 80s and 90s. They really should have.

Honestly if you want to lose weight you need to “change your lifestyle”. Not in a weird kooky cult way, just buy some jogging shoes (with insoles) and an outfit that looks good. Like spend $250 on your exercise outfit. You will want to wear it and eventually go for a walk.

I can’t overemphasize the insoles. Skinny people never tell you to get them, probably because the regular shoe insoles work fine for them. Fat people need special sports foam insoles. Your knees and ankles will feel amazing.

reddig33,

As someone else pointed out — Weight Watchers shifted its focus to weight loss drugs. Not sure what the scandal is here. Oprah is a weight watchers spokesperson, weight watchers hooks you up with weight loss drugs, Oprah loses weight on said drugs proving it works. ???

aelwero,

‘I’ve got to do this on my own,’" she said last September. “Because if I take the drug, that’s the easy way out.”

Apparently there’s a perception that it matters… You’ll see it with smoking cessation too. Gotta do shit the absolute hardest way possible or you’re somehow “cheating”…

Wouldn’t want people to have taken the easy way to not fucking dying :/

kandoh,

I mean yeah, Ozempic is the death knell of weight watchers.

Halahoop_eh,

How much stock did she dump before this announcement? If Martha Stewart was convicted, how much more inside info is this? The SEC should be investigating the fraud that is Oprah.

PeckerBrown,

Huh - a billionaire that lies?

Whoda thunk?

Snapz,

In a world of constant unjustified hyperbole, Oprah is genuinely the nexus of SOOO much evil through Oz, Phil, John of God, etc.

What a fucking suck on humanity.

Death_Equity,

She is a victim of abuse that keeps the cycle going.

JasonDJ,

Yes, when it’s a white man he’s evil, when it’s a black woman she’s a victim of the system. We all know.

TankovayaDiviziya,

No one said anything about race, you twit.

Death_Equity, (edited )

No, like an actual victim of abuse autobiographically.

Abused by her Grandmother physically as a young child, sexually by multiple people when elementary school age. Neglected by her drug-addict mother. Mentally and emotionally by multiple romantic partners.

profdc9,

“I hear the sound of marching feet down Sunset Boulevard To Crescent Heights and there at Pandora’s Box We are confronted with a vast quantity of plastic people”

_sideffect,

I loathe this woman…evil all around

M0oP0o,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

so she shorted the stock right?

iquanyin,
@iquanyin@lemmy.world avatar

of course she did. it’s the only way she’s gonna be able to do it. we need to stop focusing on people’s bodies and get on with fixing the climate.

sebinspace,

False dichotomy but I take your point…

Jax,

Is it a false dichotomy if every problem humanity faces comes second when compared to climate change?

HipHoboHarold,

But we can focus on more than one problem. Like I’m a gay guy. Should I nor focus on the potential genocide me and my community will likely face if the Republicans can win?

Sorgan71,

nobody was talking about the climate dude

AgentGrimstone,

Exactly 😥

Kayday,

Yeah, I’m not racist but climate change is a big deal.

Phegan,

Never forget that Oprah platformed grifters like Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil

ComradePorkRoll,

A lot of rapists too.

Stalinwolf, (edited )
@Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca avatar

Never been a big fan of Oprah, or anyone who bases their entire career around “Look how generous and righteous I am”, while earning huge profits for doing it. It will never not rub me the wrong way.

These people may inject some good into the world for a few people, but building your fame and fortune around it is a bit morally fucked.

Unlimited_Power,

Oprah built her empire on the backs of all the slow adults and little people she victimized during her first few years.

jwt,

From the Gospel of Bill Burr.

Sorgan71,

calling them little people is dumb

Olhonestjim,

Maybe you should ask them how they feel about it.

tegs_terry,

He means ‘Little people’

Art3sian, (edited )
@Art3sian@lemmy.world avatar

“Look how generous and righteous I am”

Also Drake. Also Shaq.

Both give away heaps of money… but only in front of heaps of planned cameras rolling.

That’s not charity. That’s using the poor for PR and clicks for profit, no different from Bum Fights.

Change my mind.

dangblingus,

She’s a terrible spokesperson for WW anyway due to her trademark weight fluctuations over a period of 3-4 decades. Oprah gets fat, she “goes on WW”, writes a book about her experience which is basically a glorified WW commercial. Rinse and repeat. Capitalist scum.

DigitalFrank,

I wonder if she sold any stock or took short positions before she tanked the stock.

blanketswithsmallpox,

Oprah is the Joe Rogan of her generation.

EatATaco,

Thanks for succinctly and precisely explaining why I really dislike her.

I’ve tried to explain why to my wife, but I feel like I’ve always missed the mark and she has implied it’s probably a mixture of misogyny and/or racism. Which still may be true I don’t really know. However, next time it comes up, I’ll point out that I dislike her for the same reason I dislike rogan.

dangblingus, (edited )

Unfortunately, sexism and racism is so rampant from men (conservatism is ingrained into many men as a form of masculinity) that well-intentioned men who criticize toxic and exploitative capitalist women (esp women of color) are immediately lumped into that group of degenerate men. The reality of it is, Oprah is a toxic influence on women and gets off on creating FOMO among her impressionable fanbase. She created Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil, the former of which has had disastrous effects on women’s health esp nutrition because he’s a quack and pretends to be an expert on all things medical, and the latter of which oversimplifies most psych concepts to the point where laypeople think they’re qualified psychologists now.

laughterlaughter, (edited )

You really didn’t need to admit that you probably don’t like her because she’s a black woman. If you don’t say this to your wife when adding the joe rogan bit, then you’re being dishonest.

Edit: Look. OP said that. It’s right there in the comment. I’m not making it up. Oprah sucks? Sure. She’s like Joe Rogan? Okay. My wife said my comments are sexist and racist, and it may be true… dude. That’s all I pointed out. Sorry, but that’s not okay. I’m fine with the downvotes, though I’ll make sure to better portray my point next time.

dangblingus,

They didn’t?

laughterlaughter,

They did.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I am so looking forward to a Lemmy user who is black and a woman to tell you that Oprah sucks. Whoever you are, please do us that favor. And if there aren’t any black women on Lemmy… well, there should be anyway.

laughterlaughter,

Which is fine. I probably gave it more emphasis on the side point that the main point. But OP did admit that his wife pointed out that his comments have a misogyny and racist tone, and OP said that maybe that’s true. That’s it.

“Oprah sucks because she’s like Joe Rogan”

Ok.

“And if someone thinks it’s racist and sexist, it maaaaaay be true.”

Not ok.

EatATaco,

Two things.

wife pointed out that his comments have a misogyny and racist tone

First you’re putting words in my mouth. She never said anything about my tone making her believe that, but that my dislike might be misogynistic and/or racist. I believe this is because I wasn’t explaining my position well, so without a good reason, it opened the door for that possibility.

Second,

“And if someone thinks it’s racist and sexist, it maaaaaay be true.”

Not ok.

It’s a good thing that I’m open to the possibility that I’m biased. This is not something to shit on. I don’t get why this is such a bad thing. Bring open to being wrong is how you grow.

laughterlaughter,

Understood, and you clarified in another comment.

Your original comment was not clear enough, at least not to me, but now that I have the full context, I see that you’re not some racist/sexist asshole. But of course, it was wrong of me to accuse you of that in the first place without asking you to clarify. I’ll do that from now on.

EatATaco,

My man. Good on you. We can all learn from this admission.

HipHoboHarold,

One of the best ways to come to the conclusion that you need to better yourself in some areas is to be open to the idea you might have a bias.

But acknowledging you might have a bias does not mean it’s there and you’re OK with it

And not liking someone who is part of a marginalized group does not always mean a bias either.

EatATaco,

You really didn’t need to admit that you probably don’t like her because she’s a black woman.

What do you mean? I don’t believe this to be the case, I believe I don’t like her for the same reason I don’t like rogan, and the last I checked he isn’t a black woman. Recognizing that I may have internalized biases that fall in a blind spot of mine is not an admission of anything nor is it something anyone should be shitting on.

laughterlaughter, (edited )

But you did say “my wife thinks my comments have a mix of racism and misogyny, which is still maybe true.” How does that paint a good picture in any way?

But I stand corrected and I admit I had a knee-jerk reaction.

EatATaco,

How does that paint a good picture in any way?

I wasn’t trying to paint a good picture, I was being honest.

laughterlaughter,

Then be honest with yourself for once.

You say:

I don’t believe this to be the case,

How do you reconcile that with “maybe I’m being racist and misogynistic”?

EatATaco, (edited )

I am being honest with myself: I may have internalized biases that I’m not consciously aware of. There’s nothing to reconcile here as these two statements are not mutually exclusive or even contradictory in any way.

laughterlaughter,

I understand what you mean now, and I stand corrected. Thanks for clarifying, friend, and sorry for being so quick at judging you.

You’re right. Even myself may have some internalized misogyny due to the culture of the country I grew up in. It’s a constant battle between what has been shoved into me as a kid vs. what I’ve later learned or discovered.

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