Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
Romans 13: 1-2
Except, of course, when that authority is a Democrat. Then just skip all that and rebel.
There is a study on how most Americans view religion and how it is connected to social and political norms. This “version” of Christianity is called “American Civil Religion” in the relevant sociology sub-field. I know about the articles that compare Trump to the Antichrist do so in good faith (pardon the pun) but anything from old Christian traditions isn’t the focus of this sect; proof as things such as military involvement, Memorial Day, wording from the Constitution and Declaration of Independence are considered sacred.
Thus, especially in rural and suburban areas where culture is more monotone; Jesus is more of these people’s “identity” rather than an example to live by (perhaps that is why identity talk seems to scare them). Once again proof, there is an American version of Christianity that is the main culture of the US.
Being Republican or Democrat does not matter much in this case as both are of the American culture. Obviously, it is up to the individual to decide how much of this should be codified into law.
tl;dr: What some of you might find ironic is the studying of a religion is absolutely necessary to understanding a person’s own religion without culture “baggage” (which in my own personal experience makes a person less of an extremest, see certain ultra-orthodox Jews: reddit.com/…/antizionist_hassidic_jews_a_thread/)
Yeah, the American civil religion is becoming a dominant religion in America and it’s hard for people who don’t spend time near it to understand it. The gotchas are fun, but this is the essence of Christian nationalism in America. They don’t see the difference between religion and nation because they’ve always been tied together as part of “one of us” and “good guys” to them.
The Cold War in particular drove it to an extreme. Opposition to the “godless communists” made America, Christianity, capitalism, and the concept of a good person all deeply tied together to many of these people.
The world is changing whether they like it or not, and decades of people selling them fear and self righteousness are catching up to all of us.
May the gods have mercy on us in America, because Americans won’t.
I agree. The cold war has changed the culture of this country. Just look at how much more of a socialist Eisenhower is compared to today’s politicians. Which is crazy as he is what passed as a Republican in his era.
Eisenhower was considered a socialist in his era by some, but notably those some were the people who did the business plot and those like them. The 20th century in America can be summarized as unregulated capitalism destroyed our society and pushed us to the question of socialism or barbarism, a compromise was struck, and the ones who demanded barbarism spent the remainder of the century inching us back towards unregulated capitalism while pointing at the socialists and calling them barbaric.
There aren’t enough Christian nationalists to swing the election for Trump. I think people forget it was independents in a relative handful of swing districts that swung the election for Trump in 2016, but many of those same independents swung to Biden in 2020, and I see no reason to think those independents will swing back to Trump in 2024.
God i fucking hope so. Theres a massive push to convince folks to stay home or vote third party. The best hopes señor racismo has of winning is low voter turnout. Id like to think that the shrinking republican base, coupled with their continued attempts to appeal to their fringes, will swing the election to Status Quo Joe, but i cant help feeling worried.
The best hopes señor racismo has of winning is low voter turnout.
I think Trump needs independent votes more than Biden does. I think there are just more liberals than conservatives in America, so if independents stay home or vote third party, it hurts Trump much more than Biden.
It’s true that there are more liberals than conservatives in America. However keep in mind that in the last 35 years, conservatives have only won the popular vote only once for president, but we’ve had a couple of Republicans as presidents since then. The Electorial college is really gerrymandered in conservative favor.
The Electorial college is really gerrymandered in conservative favor.
That’s true, but the elections aren’t decided by conservatives, they’re decided by independents, by swing voters. The electoral college makes it so presidential elections are decided by a handful of swing districts in a handful of swing states. If independent voters choose to come out and vote for the Republican candidate in those few swing districts, it gives the Republicans a massive advantage. If those independents vote for the Democrat, obviously that gives the Democrats a huge advantage, too, but if those independents stay home or vote third party, I think that also advantages the Democrat because the Democrats can just rely on their natural plurality when independents aren’t in the mix. This is what happened in 1992. Bill Clinton was able to beat the Republican incumbent because a lot of independents voted third party.
I am no longer religious, but I went to a Roman Catholic school in the UK. Across most of Europe most people see Christianity…and then they see whatever the fuck is going on in America.
Not myself but a family member’s friend’s friend isn’t necessarily voting for him because of his religious walk, but because he isn’t Biden.
The thing is, they spend their whole existence seeking out what all they can criticize Biden for - but zero time on what they can criticize Trump for. It’s imbalanced, it’s been pointed out, but they don’t seem to care.
I wish I knew. I am in absolute disbelief that so many have fallen for this guy. We’re at a new church this year, partly because of the Trump nonsense. New pastor hasn’t said anything remotely political and I hope it stays that way.
To be fair it is referring to Christian nationalists not your aunt Betty who goes to church on Sunday, volunteers, and keeps to herself with respect to religion and politics.
Trump is one of the least Christian people I can think of, then again that holds true for his "Christian" followers so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Don’t do that, his followers are indeed Christian. I don’t accept the no true Scotsman fallacy, Christians do evil and these people are the dregs of the religion, not outside of it.
Christians throughout history have been vile, brutal sub-human pieces of shit who abuse, torture, molest and murder everyone around them. Modern christians supporting Trump are pretty on-brand.
I mean, people who believe in mythology (apologies to non-lunatic religious people, but these ones believe the earth is 5000yo) are primed to split their minds and ignore facts and contradictions. Perfect audience.
Anybody have that link that was posted here a while back? It was something like would Christians recognize the antichrist and then it gave a giant fucking list of all the Trump shit?
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