randy,
@randy@social.coop avatar

@return2ozma well, when you place your administration as a patron of despicable foreign policy, and the young people who voted for you (or would vote for you) are protesting that foreign policy, how is this a surprise?

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not looking good for Biden. I don’t know how he can even recover from the Israel-Palestine war.

JaymesRS,

As a population, we all have the memory of goldfish anymore. People have said that recently about many things, especially around Trump as well.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

What? People have the memory of a goldfish for small-ish things. This isn't that; this is big.

Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Luckily he’s facing Trump who was worse for the country in every way and wants to ramp up the genocide if he’s elected.

slurpyslop,

historically "vote for us because we're not them" is a very ineffective way of winning elections

Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Trump lost the popular vote twice already while the Dems ran on “we’re not them”.

slurpyslop,

and one of those elections he won?

also, during the 2020 campaign, trump's base's biggest complaint was generally that he was running on a platform of "i'm not biden", so i guess both cancelled out

Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Seems like the main platform for both parties this time is the same “I’m not them”. I guess we’ll see.

disguy_ovahea,

Trump repealed 111 climate change regulations. Biden is enacting new ones.

Trump repealed civil and trans rights. Biden replaced them.

Trump repealed net neutrality. Biden replaced it.

Trump gave corporations and the wealthy larger tax cuts than the working class. Biden is replenishing the deficit off of corporations and the wealthy while cutting taxes for middle and low income workers.

I could go all day, but I think you get the point.

Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

He honestly has a lot to run on. People just like to attribute A LOT of Trump’s failures to Biden. And Biden doesn’t like to boast. I hope that changes.

slurpyslop,

trump's platform seems more to be "the election was stolen", which his base believes

biden's base on the other hand is horrifically split over his mishandling of israel, and arguably the demographics that are credited with democratic wins in 2022 are most effected

his poll numbers are in the shitter, and over the last two presidential elections polls have been incorrectly biased towards the democratic candidate

randy,
@randy@social.coop avatar

@slurpyslop @return2ozma @Omegamanthethird it's a cheap narrative for an election, but it can work. Trouble this time is that voters' memories are too short to remember just how effed up Cult 45/TFG was.

Maeve,

Since when?

OccamsTeapot,

Concerning. But also Obama was less popular than Trump at this point and we know how those both turned out, so hopefully Biden can change it around. Maybe don’t send a genocidal government bombs that will be dropped on children? Idk I’m not a political scientist

MakePorkGreatAgain,

Obama was so unpopular that he was succeeded by Trump. it may be that Biden will share the same fate

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry… you think Trump was elected because Obama was unpopular?

How does that even work? I know , but why do you?

OccamsTeapot,

Yeah but Obama got two terms, not his fault Hilary didn’t inspire people.

I did too much research on approval ratings now soooo…

Trump: 41%

Obama:

1st term: 49%

2nd: 47%

Bush:

1st: 62% (!)

2nd: 37%

Clinton:

1st: 50%

2nd: 61%

Other Bush: 61%

And…

Biden, average to date: 43%

Oof. The only president people like him more than is Trump or 2nd term Bush. Lucky he is the one running I guess, haha

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

I wonder how well the Clinton and Bushes would have fared if their constituents were constantly bombarded by negative political coverage on social media and in memes. They only had to watch out for people who read newspapers.

Rhaedas,
Rhaedas avatar

The variety of actual polls on each President is very odd. Apples, oranges, and fish?

BombOmOm, (edited )
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

Gallup is one of the most reliable polling institutions in the US. Biden really has actually managed to beat out the previously most unpopular president at this point, GHW Bush.

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

Gallup is a Russian bot now! /s

Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not too surprising. Dems are a lot less tribal. They’re more likely to disapprove actions from their own party. And neither one is getting a lot from the other side

The only thing that really matters is whether the people who disapprove of both will vote one way or the other. Disapproving Republicans are probably voting Republican and disapproving Democrats are probably voting Democratic.

Melkath,

and disapproving Democrats are probably voting Democratic.

A new crop of neocons calling them selves Democrats, also known as Progressives, will do this.

Liberals wont vote for military state response to university protests and genocide. They are decent people. They will just stay home.

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

I can’t even begin to understand how you can claim progressives are just neocons with a different name. What a bizarre take.

norbert,
norbert avatar

Some of these guys are completely disconnected. They don't believe that peaceful revolution is possible and don't understand the length of time and amount of work involved in actual change.

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

They’re the same people who don’t understand neoliberals are Bush Jr Republicans. They see “liberal” and assume neo ones are bad, they think neoliberals are modern Democrats.

NoneOfUrBusiness,

disapproving Democrats are probably voting Democratic.

Not necessarily. Many democrats are going to drop Biden, either to send a message or just because he's not inspiring them to go through the trouble of voting. We can argue about the correctness of this course of action, but even just a return to historically average voter turnout will result in a Trump victory.

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

I didn’t even have to look at the username to know who posted this.

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

Good. Maybe all these posts of me ringing the alarm should wake you up to do something about it. It’s Gallup.

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

I forgot about Jimmy Carter!

So that’s three presidents who were more popular but only had one term since Dwight.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly what are we supposed to do about it?

disguy_ovahea,

Get really stressed out until you can vote in November, duh!

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

There is a recency bias that comes with rating presidents and we are in one of the most polarized periods in American history right now. It’s not that Gallup is wrong, it’s that there is a lot more context to consider here. A president with this approval 20 years ago was dead in the water. But it’s not 2004.

Let me very clear that this does not mean Biden is in a good position. I could never argue that in good faith. He’s got a hard election ahead of him. But a lot of these people who disapprove of Biden either hate Trump more or already hated whoever the Democrat was going to be regardless.

jeffw,

It wasn’t good enough to get downvoted for posting this on !politics a few days back, it had to be done again!

BombOmOm,
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

You are free to post quality content, too. Gallup is one of the best polling institutions in the country, it’s pretty hard to post better quality polls.

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

How did they do in 2016?

jeffw,

Just the same as they always have. But they don’t do election polling if that’s what you mean

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

Do you know what Gallup does?

tal, (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I mean, some of that is also on people who don’t post stuff. Like, if you don’t like what someone posts but don’t post stuff youself…it’s not likely that they’re gonna change what they post to fit what you want.

This community has 16k active users. If each active person on here posted one article a month, it’d be innundated in content, like an average of a new post every two minutes, day and night.

EDIT: I just submitted my next seven months worth!

jeffw,

That would be great, then I wouldn’t need to post 10 articles a day here and I wouldn’t have to always sort by new.

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

I mean you don’t need to lol if you don’t enjoy doing it then don’t

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