This smells really fishy. They quote her directly when it comes to her taking the side of Palestinians in general (aka, the oppressed population) but when it comes to her supposed support of Hamas in particular, all there is in the article is a paraphrase of THEIR version, not a direct quote.
And what bullshit would that be? Anything that would be a fireable offense?
That’s not rhetorical or sealioning btw. I’m genuinely asking since I’m not familiar with her at all other than clears throat some of her early work several years ago…
I don’t know so I won’t speak to that, and no judgement of right or wrong here, but this is the US. Anything is or can be a fireable offense so long as it’s not one of a few specific protected things. In almost every state. So making a post on social media pretty much regardless of content can be a fireable offense if the company deems it so.
Just because it’s technically allowed doesn’t mean it’s not reprehensible treatment of a mostly blameless person, though. I’m not sure it even IS technically allowed, actually. She might have a good libel and wrongful termination/breach of contract case…
As I said, no judgement from me one way or another. Also we have no way of knowing what kind of contract she had or whether there was some kind of morality clause. Maybe this violated it. Maybe not.
All I was saying was that, whether right or wrong, employment can be terminated pretty much anywhere in the United States for any reason as long as it’s not a protected thing, which this almost certainly is not. So saying something is or isn’t a fireable offense probably needs some context. Because anything could be a fireable offense if the company thinks it is.
Not true. They post hate speech from right wing politicians verbatim all the time.
As for the tweets being somewhere else, it seems that it’s this:
Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal
To the inattentive and/or wilfully misinterpreting, that might come off as an endorsement of Hamas as “freedom fighters”, but note that she doesn’t mention Hamas by name and that Hamas aren’t usually the ones filming any of their atrocities.
Add her clarification from a few days later and it’s clear she’s talking about regular people filming the atrocities of the Israeli oppressors and isn’t referring to terrorism at all, unless you define it broadly enough to include the Israeli state terrorism:
I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day
As I suspected, she didn’t do what they said she did. She just had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime.
I tried to read all her Tweets despite not having a Twitter account and yes, none of them mention Hamas or support Hamas. She’s just telling people to tear down the wall.
Apparently, that’s only okay in Berlin and other places. Clearly tearing down the siege wall surrounding Gaza or the apartheid wall that has plagued Palestinians and ruined their agricultural lands for years and years is a big no-no.
apartheid wall that has plagued Palestinians and ruined their agricultural lands for years and years is a big no-no.
Not to mention thousands being forced to go through military checkpoints to reach the nearest schools and hospitals, if they’re lucky enough to even be allowed to pass.
Actually, it turned out that the article DOES directly quote what she was cancelled for. It was just that the article made it sound like she’d declared her undying loyalty to Hamas when in actual fact she hadn’t even mentioned them. I’m just gonna copy a comment of mine from earlier today explaining the whole thing:
Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal," she wrote on the platform on Saturday.
That’s all. If you’re very inattentive or deliberately misinterpreting her words, you’d think that she was endorsing Hamas as “freedom fighters”.
But if you DO pay attention and know anything, you’ll notice that she never mentions Hamas and know that Hamas aren’t usually the ones filming any of their atrocities. Add her clarification from a few days later and it’s clear that she did NOT endorse Hamas and is the victim of character assassination because she had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime:
I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day.
Calling Hamas “freedom fighters” is an insult to every real current and past freedom fighter in history of mankind.
Freedom fighters dont choose targets that are exclusively civilian, they don’t hunt down and execute civilians, nit caring about their beliefs or standing. They don’t spread terror among the civilian population. All of these things make the thing they are fighting stronger and puts the rest of the population against them. It’s what terrorists do.
Why do you think people in the zionist government support Hamas?! Because it serves to justify the hanous things the government does against Palestinians as a whole.
Real freedom fighters choose infrastructure, smaller military targets (that are reachable), political assassinations of the government officials they are against, et cetera.
These cause civilian casualties, but the civilian casualties are not the goal, they are the byproduct.
Palestinians deserve so much more than Hamas, but Hamas won’t let them choose. They silence or kill anyone who disagrees with them, be it Israeli of Palestinian.
There is no such thing as “real freedom fighters” War is not a moral thought experiment.Terrorism is at the end of the day a a military strategy. Which freedom figheters, militas and regular armiees use all the time.
It would be if using or not using terror would be orthogonal to success in war. War is a zero-sum game and you simply can’t throw out anything giving advantage - you’ll be punished by evolution, as simple as that.
Unless you are in some artificial situation where rules of war are respected and if they are not you are punished by neutral sides. Sadly our era doesn’t have any such mechanism despite all the declarations. It’s not Frederic the Great’s time.
Hamas hunt down and execute civilians? I mean I’m pro Hamas, but even if you think they are evil, you know they need them for Negotiations and hostage exchange right?
Yes. Literary, yes. Hunting down and killing random civilians was their stated goal.
They might say that they took the hostages for negotiations, but it’s much more likely they took them as human shields. Just how they always used innocent palestinians.
It’s funny how you can unironcally say that you are pro hamas. You might as well be pro ISIS or pro Taliban.
Pro Taliban yes, pro ISIS no. They are different things.
Where did Hamas state their goal is hunting down civilians? Do you follow their Telegram Channel, or that of the spokeperson Abu_'ubaidah or Al-Jazeerah? I mean you can say this is their real goal that you deducted from watching media, but not the stated. Hamas are not even using hate speech against Jews or Israeli group anymore, they declare their enemy as Zionism.
Besides you say Hamas are using human shields, Hamas actually have a network underground, so they are always away from Israeli bombing and they state that. It is literally a hobby for Netenyaho to bomb Palestinian Civilians to pressure them so they turn back against Hamas, exactly how Terrorist movements work.
She did clarify that she was talking about Palestinian civilians filming the missile attacks on civilian homes and such, calling them freedom fighters for documenting atrocities
This particular sentence is not entirely correct, as it implies that freedom fighters can’t use terror tactics and thus be terrorists.
Say, if some Armenian force (there are none that’d have the balls) would bomb the Mingechaur dam, the pipes and infrastructure going through Tovuz, other smaller hydroelectric objects etc in Azerbaijan, - these would be actions aimed at fighting for freedom, but very important part of their effect would be terror.
In some way any violent activity aimed at denying someone their feeling of safety is terrorism. Like, say, allied bombing campaign of Germany (its goals were even formulated like that).
I agree that Hamas are not freedom fighters, their ideology is pretty Nazi.
There is again difference between blowing up a strategic dam and attacking a concert full of civilians.
First can have some actual strategic importance, cutting out energy, interrupting travel, et cetera.
It causes terror and civilian causalities, but that is again, a byproduct. If the latter is greater than the former it doesn’t add to the revolutionary goal, I would argue it damages it and causes more harm than good for the group.
Second is pure terror, it serves no purpose for the group, vilianizes them to the public and makes the government they are fighting against stronger.
Any action that doesn’t help with a revolutionary goal or even detracts from it, is useless.
Any action with no strategic importance and only creating terror is not only evil, but harms the group more then it helps.
There is a massive difference between terrorism and freedom fighting.
I am not saying freedom fighting groups don’t do terrorism, we dont live in a perfect world. What I am saying that terrorism has no benefits and only harms not only the innocent but also the group commiting it.
Ah yes, more misrepresentation and intentional misinterpretation of commentary in order to support the Zionist agenda. She didn’t praise or even mention Hamas in her comment at all. This article is just another cog in the propaganda machine.
This pro-Israeli propaganda cycle has been the most disgusting I’ve ever seen. People that never have a comment on anything are coming out of the woodwork, frothing at the mouth over anyone speaking out against state-backed ethnic cleansing and genocide.
I’ll never understand why people like you seem to practically fall over themselves, making things up to justify being upset at situations. You’re all bizarre.
“I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is enticing spread of violence, I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day.”
Anyone that gets their geopolitical opinions from a pornstar has some serious self reflecting to do. Firing her, or leaving her employeed, will make little difference in the world.
Pro-Palestine. One of her posts was ambiguous - "Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.”
The media propaganda machine was more than happy to pretend that was directed to Hamas, and then went on to fabricate that it was in reference to civilian executions, but it’s all 100% bullshit.
If at a time when terrorists of Hamas are releasing a ton videos of their terror attacks, you say "Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.”, then you are calling those terrorists freedom fighters. And if you call terrorists freedom fighters, then you are tacitly supporting those terrorists and their acts of terror. Especially if you do this right after one of the most brutal attacks against civilians that we have seen in the last few years.
You can assume that’s what she meant, but you don’t actually know that - you’re just putting words into someone’s mouth. She even clarified later that’s exactly what she DIDN’T mean. This is also a time when Israel is bombing largely defenseless citizens. If you’re going to make assumptions about the intent of a statement, it’s also valid to assume she’s referring to this.
Not every Palestinian is a member or supporter of Hamas, and not every person who fights for the freedom of the Palestinians is a member or supporter of Hamas.
Pro Hamas. Right after the latest gruesome terror attacks, she called the terrorists of Hamas “Palestine freedom fighters” and proclaimed that actions by Palestinians were always justified, thereby expressing her support for Hamas and their terror attacks.
*She posted on X on Oct 7, which now stands deleted, saying, “Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal.” She added "If you can look at the situation in Palestine and not be on the side of Pal…
The posts were in the article I linked + the one above (might be the same one, I just googled another one that has the quotes - I’m on mobile, don’t expect too much ;)). She is not using the name of Hamas, but she is calling them "Palestinian freedom fighters. **It is by the timing that we know that she was talking about Hamas. **
She made those posts shortly after the attacks, when social media was being filled with footage of Hamas. Hamas fighters post videos in portrait format of them gunning down civilians, Mia Khalifa posts shortly after and asks the “Palestinian freedom fighters” for videos in landscape format. So she called the terrorists who were indiscriminately killing civilians, freedom fighters, thereby tacitly supporting their actions. Strike 1.
In a second follow up post, she states that one should always be on the side of Palestinians, implying that in her eyes the atrocities that were committed just hours before, were justified because they were committed by Palestinians. No nuance, exceptions or caveats, for her, anything done in the name of Palestinians against Israël is apparently justified, no matter how heinous. Strike 2.
A 3rd post was about Palestinians tearing down their prison walls, which mostly just went to show how incredibly stupid and ignorant this woman is. It’s possible that she misunderstood the situation and thought that those terror attacks were the start of a bigger offensive with the aim of ending Palestine oppression.
There are plenty of people who support fully liberating the west bank without applauding terror attacks against civilians, but she chose to start applauding right after the images of the terror attacks hit the media. It’s only much later that she started retracting her statements and proclaiming that she wasn’t talking about Hamas.
Well to be fully honest, freedom fighters and terrorists are the same thing, just from two perspectives. The average afghani villager probably won’t consider their current government terrorists, even if a large part of the western world does.
One man’s terrrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
An example of what you’re saying is the pkk in Turkey. Turkey calls them terrorists, while a lot of people still view them as a party fighting for freedom. But the pkk and it’s armed wing have never committed indiscriminate mass massacres of civilians. The endgoal of the pkk is also not the total destruction of the Turks, but rather the self determination of the Kurds.
Hamas on the other hand has as endgame the total genocide of Jews and has no qualms in indiscriminately massacring civilians.
About Hamas there is no nuance: they are genocidal terrorists.
Please be very careful. We don’t really know what the truth is but this story may be a part of disinformation effort used right now to justify military action against civilians.
I came here thinking this sounds like she might be getting woke-cancelled for suggesting Israel is pure as driven snow…
Khalifa even urged Hamas fighters to “flip their phones and film” executions horizontally in one of her posts.
Nevermind, she can go fuck herself with a cactus.
If you think military fighters executing civilians is an acceptable strategy, you probably deserve to be among those civilians and see how you like it.
Maybe check that again. Those reports came from a less than reputable Israeli newspaper and was based on claims from IDF sources. There’s no independent confirmation. It’s pretty much just war propaganda to dehumanize the Palestininans and clear the road for the atrocities to come.
You don’t need to know that Israel are carpet bombing a city (which is wrong) to know that Hamas executing civilians is also wrong. Neither side are justified in the horrific war crimes they are committing.
They took her comment grossly out of context for effect. The actual quote was…
“Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal."
Yeah, pretty tasteless, but it’s not what the article makes it out to be. She’s largely getting dragged for openly criticizing Israel’s genocide and the media is skewing the situation to make her look worse. Can’t have the masses questioning the party line and all.
And definitely not praising the people who just went through a music festival with guns and indiscriminately killed people and dragged off other ones.
A woman whose husband is missing was being interviewed. She said that whenever her baby would cry in their hiding place, bullets would fly through the wall of the shed where they were hiding.
Why anyone would have praise for that organization I cannot fathom.
Good thing she didn’t actually praise anyone who just went through a music festival with guns. But nice job making that assumption instead of actually reading the quote.
Her comment suggests the videos of interest are being filmed by the freedom fighters.
I am unaware of any armed Palestinian group which fights the Israeli government for their independence. Who is the only other group that someone could (somehow) construe as freedom fighters that’s taking videos?
Unless she’s calling the Israeli army freedom fighters and they have people filming in their midst, there’s only one group she can be talking about, and they went through a music festival with guns.
Don’t stop at just reading the comment. Comprehend it. Analyze it.
Edit: And that includes your own comments. There are indeed other groups involved which aren’t Hamas, and she was referring to civilians. Incredibly poor wording if she’s telling the truth, but I see no reason to not give her that benefit of the doubt.
What a shit article. All she did was support the Palestinian cause and now they’re putting shit in her mouth (no pun intended).
I don’t like how the narrative is being forced in this conflict. They are clearing the way for something very sinister. We’re about to witness a western sanctioned genocide. There’s no way Israel is letting this opportunity go.
Something is going to happen soon in the West Bank too, I call it.
There’s a difference between just looking the other way and actively endorsing it.
The West is 100% backing Israel and they’re not letting this chance go. Palestininans are going to be killed and deported, including Israeli Arabs. I call it. Something will happen in the West Bank soon or even in Israel itself and then Israel will come up with its own “final solution”. We’ll definitely see mass expulsions. The propaganda machine is already clearing the road ahead.
And when we see what we were actually endorsing we’ll try to take back our support but it’ll be too late. Their blood will be in our hands.
To be fair to the US, Biden stopped any more arms export to Saudi because of the actions in Yemen. Although, one could argue that the Saudi-led military intervention in Yemen is a magnum opus of a clown show for Saudi (until Russian invasion of Ukraineeclipsed it of course), so I think Biden thought there isn’t really any more point to bet on a losing horse then.
I’m not sure how you consider the Uyghurs a western sanctioned genocide, if anything it’s only the western media that is drawing any attention to it whatsoever.
media reporting it I don’t really qualify as giving a damn.
I would also wager that if I go out on the street here in slovakia and start asking people about it most people would look at me like an idiot and say, WTF is “Uyghurs”?
“Evil wins when good men do nothing” or is that notbhow the saying goes?
I am not arguing semantics, it’s just my view that the lack of sanctions by the west for China for commiting genocide is about as good as sanctioning it.
I don’t think that’s a far fetched view, I think you are the one arguing semantics, or the exact meaning of words rather than realizing the lack of action against evil is about as good as an endorsement of it.
It’s a sad commentary on the state of education nowadays that I also initially assumed that you were dumb enough to not know the difference between “sanctioned genocide” and “applying sanctions”
I’ve had enough “well regulated militia” arguments that it’s scarred me
These comments are full of people spreading objectively false narrative. It’s concerning. Are people in Lemmy intentionally spreading misinformation or do they think what they’re saying is true? Either way, it’s concerning.
Lemmy is not so bad actually. It’s Reddit that is scary. You have people calling for genocide being upvoted to the sky consistently. If someone denounces the violent speech and dehumanization, hell even just asking for some cool heads, they’re downvoted to oblivion.
Good ol’ Dubya set the stage for this 20 years ago. Yer either fer us or yer agin us. Either you support every thing we do without question or you support terrorism.
Look man, you can support Palestine, but telling the soldiers to turn their phones horizontally for better execution videos of civilians is a bit much.
Well, that’s your choice to side with her on that. A lot of people are interpreting it as 1) a terrible time to try to be funny and 2) can easily be interpreted as support for Hamas, until she got a ton of backlash and it started to cost her money and then she ‘totes didn’t mean it that way, just a prank, for realz!’
That was her mistake - the comment was too vague, so the media jumped on it, skewed the narrative, took that skewed narrative and grossly exaggerated it further, and denounced her as pro-Hamas. It’s obvious to see with even a little bit of reading and it’s both frightening and disgusting.
There is absolutely ambiguity, it just doesn’t suit your worldview (or similar) so you lie. It’s your right to lie, but just know that anyone who isn’t dogmatic knows you’re lying.
lol I have no skin in the game, being atheist and not jew, and not from US neither
If you believe that announcing “I support Palestine!!” right after Hamas fuckers killed a thousand of civilians would be a great idea, you are delusional
Before this happened, violenc between settlers in the Westbank and native Palestinians had tripled compared to 2022, to 3 per day, while the world news cycles were preoccupied with Ukraine.
Are you talking about settlers that have for decades stolen the Palestinians ancestral homes? Kicked them out of the house they were born in without any compensation. If that happened to me in my home I would too go radical cause at that point diplomacy has failed.
Ironic that you would talk about zero sense of context when siding with the people ignoring crucial context.
Mia Khalifa was NOT talking about terrorists. She was talking about the oppressed people of Palestine who film the atrocities of the Israeli apartheid government. She didn’t mention Hamas and since they’re not usually the ones filming THEIR atrocities, it’s clear that she wasn’t referring to them either. Especially when you add her own clarification to the equation:
I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. “I specifically said freedom fighters because that’s what the Palestinian citizens are… fighting for freedom every day.”
Yeah, it was worded imprecisely enough to make misinterpretation possible, which is always a bad move when discussing contentious issues no matter your intention.
Definitely wasn’t bad enough that she deserved being immediately fired, cancelled and defamed as a terrorism sympathiser, though.
Yeah I’ll agree with that. It was exceptionally poor wording and it comes down to the benefit of the doubt if you believe she worded it poorly vs … yeah. But the deserves the benefit of the doubt.
It was a very poor choice of wording to say freedom fighters to refer to civilians. It was just as poor to mention videos without any information whatsoever on the contents of the videos. Perhaps this is one giant misunderstanding.
Either way, a statement referring to a video from freedom fighters in the region right now without any context immediately brings to mind the carnage from the terrorist attack.
She could have just started with “My heart goes to Israeli victims” or stuff like that, before tagging “Free Palestine” at the end. That would fly without a hurdle.
So she’s not allowed to express solidarity with the Palestinian victims of Israeli oppression without also mentioning the Israeli victims of Hamas terrorism?
Are people not allowed to express solidarity with Israeli victims without also mentioning Palestinian victims either?
Massacring hundreds of people at a music festival isn’t fighting for liberation. Quite the contrary. Apart from in itself being an unforgivable atrocity, it’s just the excuse the IDF occupying force needed to give up any pretense of restraint when massacring innocent Palestinians. https://lemmy.wtf/pictrs/image/36d890f0-1e91-47a3-bf6e-b42fb122d496.webp
And how exactly should they prevent more colonizers and settlers from coming in the future? Asking them nicely? If you could cause damage to Israel in a more “moral way” then why aren’t you over there doing so?
If there’s been any constant in the conflict it is that every time Hamas or other terrorists pretending to be protectors of Palestine attack, the IDF kills more Palestinians and exactly zero freedom from oppression is achieved.
You seriously think that BDS alone with destroy the Zionists? It’s useful but a very minor part of the struggle. Terrorist? Where did you hear that? Fox News?
Apart from being inherently heinous, violence begets violence, especially when one party has the second most advanced military in the world, the unlimited support of the most advanced military in the world and a fascist government with no compunctions against genocide.
Since you seem utterly unable to understand something so obvious, we’re done here.
Most advanced military in the world? The Zionists are so fucking weak. They are unable to do anything. But oh no, you know so much about it. Way more than people actually involved. You definitely ought to give them advice
I know perfectly well what terrorism is and massacring hundreds of innocent civilians at a musical festival definitely qualifies regardless of how inhumane the apartheid regime is.
Calling terrorism terrorism isn’t a right wing talking point. Unlike literally any right wing person in theWest, I’m a pacifist and appalled at the oppressive apartheid regime. That I know from decades of observation that terrorism won’t work to achieve independence doesn’t mean that I oppose independence.
Are you a bad troll or a colossal idiot? Because those are literally the only options possible with the amount of irrational bullshit you keep spouting.
Fuck off with that bullshit. Was the nonviolence of Martin Luther King conservative? Did it help the status quo? What about Gandhi? Definitely a big “let’s change nothing, I’m fine with this” guy 🙄
You’re just making up excuses for being a bloodthirsty maniac who loves murder.
It might be a fact that many people see it that way, but that would just mean that many people are wrong. Many people believe all sorts of ridiculous lies and distortions of reality.
I have laid out compelling arguments based on the real world context of what’s happening, what her words are most likely to mean given that context, even explained which part was misunderstood and what the most rational explanation for that was.
I’ve done part or all of that at least a handful of times in replies throughout the comments of this post. I have also conceded that it might have been an ill-advised way of saying things because a public figure being less than 100% clear about a statement regarding anything contentious can and most often WILL open the door to misinterpretations, whether honest or wilfully manipulative.
That’s as close to “you are wrong, I am right” as a fiberglass canoe is to a shoddily made origami boat.
“She must be executed.” “But you beat your meat to her videos all the time.”
“That is a sacrifice I am wiling to make.” “Wisely said, brave martyr. Glory be to Allah.”
“Glory be.”
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