GarbageShootAlt2,

Spare me when one of the countless butchers for the American Empire has something to say about “tragedy”. Maybe take a few million from your endless funds for your Martha’s Vineyard parties with dogshit celebrities and pitch in to help instead of giving us a lecture, you sanctimonious, neoliberal prick.

exohuman,
exohuman avatar

As he should call it out. The number of dead is wild in that migrant boat tragedy. 5 people are not better than 500.

RichardBonham,
RichardBonham avatar

Even if those 5 people happen to be uber-rich.

GarbageShootAlt2,

I think their richness factors in pretty significantly, actually – both to how tragic their deaths are and whether or not Obama wants to jump to their defense shaming leftists for being “too radical”.

darkmugglet,

Obama was talking to a Greek audience and called out that people were more interested in the Titan. Had he been speaking to a North American audience he would have likely called out the lack of attention on the Southern border. The reality is that Obama is speaking to the audience.

The other issue is that the Titan is overwhelmingly unique. And that makes it news worthy. Right or wrong, when something is common we stop paying attention. So the problem is not that we were interested in the Titan trajecty, but that we lost interest in the migrant crisis for Europe and the US. The problem is that for most, they don't know. The injustice is not in the fact that billionaires died, but that the uniqueness of how the billionaires died caught our attention.

AskThinkingTim,
@AskThinkingTim@lemmy.world avatar

A Netflix documentary cannot be made from the refugees. There is nothing to dramatise unlike the sub case.

PowerCrazy,

Hey Obama, where are those migrants coming, from war-torn Syria? Did you happen to do anything in Syria while you were the commander-in-chief of the US Armed forces?

Guy_Fieris_Hair,

That's fucking rich. That many immigrants died every year at the Mexican border while he was president. While it was the lowest in the last 30 years, it's still shitty. Just because your less evil doesn't mean your good.

MiddleWeigh,
@MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world avatar

Tbh, all these politicians can kick rocks imo. They don't know what it's like to be down here, and we aren't even down here down here. We're on the internet lol. I'm lucky and privileged af, and i had a shitty go of things. I can't even imagine being propped and puppeted by the machine of suffering and then to have the gall to say some shit like that, like I had some spiritual awakening. Nah. Fuck you, acting like you didn't already know the whole time Lol. I hope your grandchildren lead real fulfilling lives. Seriously I do.

trent,
trent avatar

dang, I haven't seen Obama since the presidency, man is getting old :(

Ragnell,
Ragnell avatar

Interesting. A lot of people joking around really don't know anyone or have any connections or money to put behind migrant rescue. But then, people criticizing the rhetoric usually don't have such resources either.

It is good that he's using his platform to call attention to this, and I'm glad he seems to have evolved his stance on immigrants. However, I would hope a former US President who's Vice President is now President would have made a few phone calls about this before yelling at the layman.

MiddleWeigh,
@MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world avatar

It kinda seems convenient to me ngl. What a big machine that needs to be dismantled first to save a few souls. It's pathetic tbh

GarbageShootAlt2,

He hasn’t “evolved his stance on immigrants,” that’s pure wishful thinking. He’s a rich asshole who’s always been principally interested in defending the rich and wagging his finger at people who are too mean to his corporate masters.

mochi,
mochi avatar

It's more fun to publicly comment on, mock, shame, and laugh about a bunch of idiots that died doing something stupid than reflect on the driving forces behind a boat with 700 people on it capsizing in the Mediterranean.

Hellsadvocate,
Hellsadvocate avatar

Only things that entertain us are things we care about. As the world's sorrows and tragedies grow by the day, everything from climate change to mass shootings of toddlers, we're numb. The one thing that helped is that it was rich people, we all (except republicans apparently) want to eat the rich, and these guys said sure we'll just go drown, they're pretty much allies. Gotta celebrate that.

GarbageShootAlt2,

we all (except republicans apparently) want to eat the rich

The dude in the headline sure seems upset about the “eat the rich” attitude, and however hard it is to see a practical difference, I am pretty sure he is not one of those Republican ghouls you are referring to. Perhaps you should reconsider how narrow the circle you are drawing is.

maporita,

It’s a result of compassion fatigue. When the first dead migrant children washed up on the Greek coast on people were appalled and transfixed. But the next month there were more dead bodies, and then more. Eventually people stop caring.

I’m old enough to remember “Live Aid”. When Bob Geldof got up on stage and said we were going to end world hunger people really believed it was possible. Since then there have been dozens more famines in Ethiopia, and the deaths run to the tens of millions. And now no-one mentions them.

firebreathingbunny,

People who die during the commission of a crime aren't sympathetic figures.

AnonTwo,

That is proven wrong so many times by history it's not even funny. That's just an uneducated take.

ram,
@ram@lemmy.ca avatar

The right to seek refuge is protected by international law.

firebreathingbunny,

You seek refuge remotely, through the proper bureaucratic channels, and only go if you are granted refuge. You don't invade. The latter is a crime. This is non-negotiable.

ram,
@ram@lemmy.ca avatar

#1 No, this "invasion" is what we call "asylum"

#2 Even if it weren't a legal right under international law (which it is), murder is bad, borders are bad, and depicting this as "invasion" tells me all I need to know about you.

Buba,

“Borders are bad”

Oh my god. 😂

Fucking crazy fools these days.

ram,
@ram@lemmy.ca avatar

If favouring humans to arbitrary imaginary lines in the ground is crazy, I guess I’m completely unhinged. I have no intention of conceding that the murder of over 700 people was somehow ethical, and anyone who thinks it was is a sort of crazy I’d never be able to be.

firebreathingbunny,

Violating a sovereign country's borders is by definition an invasion. I already stated the one and only legal way to seek refuge. There is no debate to be had here.

AnonTwo,

You sound like a sociopath. Even if you can argue black and white whether this was a crime or not, can you argue it's a crime worthy of death?

Who did they kill? Who did they hurt?

maporita,

And who killed them? Not the countries they are trying to flee to. The people who killed them are the ones who packed them into leaky boats or crammed them into airtight containers, to profit from their misery.

toasteecup,

No one, it's not worth arguing with that fool. They don't understand reality other than how to mimic catchy sayings like "derntakin' our jerbs" with out consideration they gave up those jobs because "I'm too good to do that kinda work"

ram,
@ram@lemmy.ca avatar

If you check their post history, firebreathingbunny appears to be here just to spew fake garbage. ^^

firebreathingbunny,

It's called fucking around and finding out. Nobody executed them for committing this particular crime. They did it to themselves -- and good riddance, too. The world needs fewer criminals.

Cosmic_Frog,

Who is this Obama dude? The only Obama I know used to bomb civilians, so this must be some other guy

authed,

he the drone pro… even droned a wedding

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