poloniousmonk,

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Ok, since all i got was mocked, i guess i have to back up a bit.

Did anyone notice that the first two star wars had depth (carter) and the third was junk (reagan)? The first matrix (clinton) vs the next two (bush)?

How about bill cosby? He got reported to the fbi every year, but was useful for shaping the narrative. He blamed the Black community for its response to systemic persecution and justified white racism.

poloniousmonk,

@politics

Why do the people mocking me here think Plato was an idiot? He said the state needs to control the music. All totalitarian states exercise full control over the media. Why wouldn't America at least trim off the dangerous edges? We've been a lot closer to totalitarianism since wwiithan a lot of people want to admit. Velvet glove, remember.
Hell, watch the first season of Rick and Morty and then the first episode of s2 to see the limits. Atheists are very much not allowed a voice

AStraussianAbsconded,

@poloniousmonk @politics People often mock what they don't understand, or, in other words, refuse to read. Plato's notions about controlling music have a salutary objective, both in his Republic and Laws.

jpaskaruk,
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@AStraussianAbsconded @poloniousmonk @politics

That depends just how Straussian the reader is.

AStraussianAbsconded,

@jpaskaruk @poloniousmonk @politics Perhaps, or the reader can just follow Plato's cues dropped within the text concerning his ultimate aim for his perceived city-state.

jpaskaruk,
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@AStraussianAbsconded @poloniousmonk @politics

That also depends on how Straussian you are about it. The good readers don't read translations, after all, but whether any modern reader could pick up all his subtleties is another question.

jpaskaruk,
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@AStraussianAbsconded @poloniousmonk @politics

I mean

nudge nudge

we're not really talking about a city here, are we?

AStraussianAbsconded,

@jpaskaruk @poloniousmonk @politics That depends, I guess. From my understanding, though other Straussians would disagree, the city appears essential for Plato's desire to perfect the soul, which he further elucidates in the Laws. Some Straussians assume that the "city in speech" is impossible and can never come to fruition. I think Plato's Laws is a rebuttal to this notion.

AStraussianAbsconded,

@jpaskaruk @poloniousmonk @politics Unfortunately, I don't think many readers have much patience for subtitles through which the philosophers engage the careful reader.

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