Young voters right now overwhelmingly prefer Biden: The Economist/YouGov poll

Young voters overwhelmingly say they would support President Biden over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up if the 2024 presidential election were held today, according to a poll released Wednesday.

In the Economist/YouGov poll — conducted via web-based interviews Dec. 16-18 — more than half (53 percent) of registered voters under 30 said they would support Biden, and less than a quarter (24 percent) said they would support Trump.

Another 10 percent said they would support another candidate, 4 percent said they were not sure, and 9 percent said they wouldn’t vote.

Maddie,
@Maddie@sh.itjust.works avatar

Young voters overwhelmingly prefer the guy who’s not actively trying to destroy the future, how shocking!

EasternLettuce,

Biden is literally trying to destroy the future. He has personally approved many new fossil fuel extraction sites including a pipeline that climate scientists have dubbed a climate time bomb

Lasherz12,

Trumps stated first step is to “drill drill drill” so please explain why this isn’t an effort to dissuade from the better option?

EasternLettuce,

Did I mention trump anywhere in my comment? Your argument is a straw man. The OP said that Biden was not trying to destroy the world. I informed him that Biden is trying to destroy the world, simple as that.

ZzyzxRoad,

Did I mention trump anywhere in my comment?

No one said you did.

joenforcer,

Biden isn’t trying to destroy the world. Everything isn’t black and white no matter how much you want it to be. We’re back in the Paris Climate Accords despite how the man-baby in the previous administration pulled out because Obama.

I mean, if you want to argue that we are going to destroy the world no matter what, we could speedrun it by electing the fascist who wants to destabilize the entire world by pulling out of NATO. I however would prefer to live out the remainder of my natural life instead of nuclear Armageddon deciding for me.

brain_in_a_box,

Biden is absolutely trying to destroy the future, just much, much slower than the Republicans.

tacosanonymous,

Young voters are being given really shitty choices.

CoggyMcFee,

I wonder when this magical time was where voting for the president had great choices. What many young voters fail to understand is that it’s not all about the president. Get enough Democrats into Congress, and they will be able to vote for progressive legislation, and if you send that to your far-from-ideal president’s desk, they’ll sign it.

It’s certainly a much easier task than having an awesome progressive president who begs a near 50-50 Congress to pass good bills, and it just doesn’t happen.

hglman,

Ok, so we need to force the system to change outside of its normal paths of power to have choices. No one thinks this time existed, everyone understands the current situation is bad.

Dagwood222,

People need to study how the Moral Majority took control of the GOP. Nixon was a dead duck after he lost his California Senate race, but he knew that an ex-Vice President was a big deal in small places. He campaigned tirelessly for years, getting lots of Reps, Governors, and Mayors elected. In 1968 he breezed in because he had the Party base on his side.

The MMs did the same. They would show up at every local GOP meeting with enoughvotes to get their agenda enacted. One day the Party big shots looked around and realized that all the dog catchers, county clerks, and sheriffs in their state were MMs.

repeated comment

crackajack,

Who woulda thunk that grassroots campaign works? Even for the side that you don’t like?

Ensign_Crab,

Get enough Democrats into Congress, and they will be able to vote for progressive legislation,

We had 60 and they killed the public option. How many do we need?

brain_in_a_box,

Get enough Democrats into Congress

And what exactly is enough?

CoggyMcFee,

There is no exact number. The more there are, the bolder they can be.

brain_in_a_box,

Well I’ve seen them very a clear majority and not do anything, so this feels like a situation where the pertinent number will always been “just a bit more”.

CoggyMcFee,

Please tell me you’re not talking about the two month window in 2010 where they had a filibuster-proof majority, and passed a major healthcare reform bill, but it was kneecapped because it relied on Joe Lieberman to pass. Because that’s a case where a couple more Democrats would have made a huge difference in what we would have gotten, and also turned 2 months and some change into two years. That’s my point that there’s no exact number.

brain_in_a_box,

See, this is exactly what I’m talking about; no matter how many they get, it always wasn’t quite enough. It always needed “just a couple more”.

CoggyMcFee,

Having enough is a spectrum: the more there are, the bolder the legislation and the more likely it is to pass. So however many you get, you always fall short of doing even better with more.

Single payer healthcare had been discussed in the early stages — and it was clear they wouldn’t have 60 votes for it, so it was a non-starter. Because there were exactly 60 D/Is, there was no wiggle room. And the GOP held up the 60th Senator in the courts as long as they could because they had no wiggle room. And then Ted Kennedy had to vote for the ACA on his virtual deathbed, and after that their 60 votes were gone, so they couldn’t spend more time on healthcare or move on to other tough issues. Lieberman forced them to remove the public option from the bill.

But you are just overlooking that they did pass a major, consequential healthcare reform bill that solved some very important problems, which couldn’t be accomplished for decades before then, even though people tried.

And this all touches on my original point: a couple more Senators would have changed things significantly at that time, but a more progressive president would not have.

brain_in_a_box,

So what’s the minimum for them to actually do anything meaningful then?

But you are just overlooking that they did pass a major, consequential healthcare reform bill that solved some very important problems, which couldn’t be accomplished for decades before then, even though people tried.

A Republican healthcare reform bill.

The Republican’s seem to be able to accomplish big things even when in minority. While Democrats apparently need a filibuster proof majority (and maybe a bit more to make up for the inevitable rotating villains) to even start.

CoggyMcFee,

That is just so frigging reductive. It was a Democratic bill, worked on and championed by Democrats. Just because it had some aspects in common with things the GOP also wanted to do way back when they actually wanted to improve some things, and just because the publicly conducted hearings allowed input from anyone in Congress, that doesn’t mean it was a “Republican bill”, nor does it change the fact that it made meaningful improvements to some aspects of healthcare that were really screwed up. I already explained before about how they actively tried to do more. The public option was dropped a few months before passing the ACA because they couldn’t get 60 votes for it.

As to the rest — Republicans accomplish big things? What the fuck have they accomplished? Many of their goals are to prevent the government from functioning, which is much easier to do, because you can filibuster or if you have control of congress you don’t have to even bring a bill to a vote. When it comes to actually producing anything… what have they done?

The only thing the GOP did of substance is fucking up the SCOTUS, which was a combo of luck and a unilateral move on the part of Mitch McConnell. Scalia died close enough to the end of a term to run out the clock by Mitch, and RBG died while the GOP controlled the Senate and presidency.

They couldn’t even replace or shut down the ACA when finally given the opportunity after talking about it for years and years, with control of both houses and the presidency. The House currently has barely been able to even choose a leader. Almost everything they do is performative. Otherwise, they just stand in the way of creating, improving, and funding things. Thats easier to do, but unfortunately that’s not an option for the Democrats who actually want to make things.

Dagwood222,

People need to study how the Moral Majority took control of the GOP. Nixon was a dead duck after he lost his California Senate race, but he knew that an ex-Vice President was a big deal in small places. He campaigned tirelessly for years, getting lots of Reps, Governors, and Mayors elected. In 1968 he breezed in because he had the Party base on his side.

The MMs did the same. They would show up at every local GOP meeting with enoughvotes to get their agenda enacted. One day the Party big shots looked around and realized that all the dog catchers, county clerks, and sheriffs in their state were MMs.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

What is an MM?

Boddhisatva,

Abbreviation for the Moral Majority that they mentioned in the first paragraph.

Dagwood222,

Thanks for explaining

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Oh gotcha thanks.

GuyDudeman,
@GuyDudeman@lemmy.world avatar

Right? This poll is literally the same as asking young voters if they would rather have their entire heads cut off or just their eyes and ears gouged out.

z3rOR0ne,
@z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml avatar

This…just absolutely this. I was going to post something along the lines of it being a choice between eating shit or being flayed alive, but this is just better. Kudos.

prole,

Wow you guys are so original 🙄

z3rOR0ne,
@z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml avatar

We totally are. thanks.

Rolder,

He seems to be doing a pretty good job given his poor circumstances where the Republican house and supreme court are both totally useless.

Ensign_Crab,

He didn’t have those issues in his first two years. His own party blocked his agenda.

Rolder,

Wel the first two years we had the fuckheads Sinema and Manchin who are basically republicans at this point

Ensign_Crab,

Sinema didn’t kill the minimum wage increase by herself. She was one of 8 democrats to vote against workers.

Manchin is the perfect centrist Democrat.

xhieron,
@xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

What on earth are you talking about? Joe Biden tried to give 20k to each of them who went to college. And he would have if the–let me check my notes here: oh, right–Nazis in the other party hadn’t sued to prevent him from giving away money.

I appreciate that Biden might not be some folks’ first choice, but if you think young people believe another four years of Grampa Joe is just barely more tolerable than the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist traitors, you might need to meet one.

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Brother he’s basically a war criminal the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist dictators is already happening

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Unlike that peace-lover Trump who only cares about the welfare of the Palestinian people, right?

Chakravanti,

You misspelled Russia.

Ensign_Crab,

Centrists falsely interpret all criticism of Biden as support for Trump. It’s dishonest.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

And realists know that bashing Biden with no nuance, as these comments are doing, does nothing but benefit Republicans.

go_go_gadget,

Then what you’re telling us is there is no opportunity for improvement… Clinton was 30 years ago and Biden is to the right of Clinton. Three decades of “incremental progress” has gotten us nowhere.

Ensign_Crab,

It’s gotten centrists where they want to go.

go_go_gadget,

Towards fascism?

Ensign_Crab,

I mean, you can only appease fascists for so long before it starts to look like collaboration.

Ensign_Crab,

Centrists just want everyone to their left and only their left to shut up.

ZzyzxRoad,

interpret all criticism of Biden as support for Trump

When you don’t vote, therefore allowing Trump to win the election…then yeah.

Equating the above with “all criticism” is what’s dishonest. Plenty of people criticize Biden who voted for him once, and they are still voting for him again. But you know that. We might not like him but believe it or not, we dislike fascism even more. Crazy, I know.

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

My criticism of Biden is totally my endorsement of trump for sure

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Do you have the name of a third person who has a chance of being elected in 2024?

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

? So I should just love Biden? I don’t understand what you mean. I never said anything about voting did I?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

This is a thread about young voters and their willingness to vote for Biden.

So if you weren’t talking about voting, were you just changing the subject to talk about what you wanted to talk about? I’d say that’s pretty discourteous to the person who posted this.

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

I was responding to a comment, that was basically it. I was expressing dislike for a presidential candidate in a thread about presidential candidates

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Also I came back to say this. How do you not see Biden and Trump being our only feasible options as inherently undemocratic? People only like them in comparison to the other. We should not be forced to choose between two objective evils. Are you so resigned to stagnation that you think continuing to enforce a system that exploits is the best option?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

What should or shouldn’t happen is not relevant to reality.

The reality is no one is going to change the fact that either a Democrat or a Republican is going to be president in 2024

I notice you couldn’t name any other viable options. I think that means you realize that.

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes I realize that. It’s painfully obvious and it’s fucked. However I don’t think this can be changed by voting for the lesser evil who is constantly getting more evil

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Again- there are two viable options. A Democrat or a Republican. What does voting for anyone else accomplish? Did voting for Perot change the status quo in 1992? Did voting for Nader change the status quo in 2000? No.

If you want to do the self-congratulating, performative act of voting for someone who has no chance of winning, go for it. If I felt that way, I just wouldn’t vote because it would make the same amount of difference but I wouldn’t have had to make an effort. Either way, the only one who will know what you did is you.

Nudding,

It doesn’t really matter in the long run, America is run by oil companies, not the people. Joe signed off on more land for drilling than trump did.

SandbagTiara2816,

I believe those were agreements signed by Trump that Biden had to follow through on, no?

But let’s also be clear, Biden appointed the first Native Secretary of the Interior and signed the Inflation Reduction Act (the most significant climate legislation the US has ever had). Trump appointed Scott Pruitt to lead the EPA.

Nudding, (edited )

One will kill us slightly faster than the other. Great.

prole,

Maybe pay attention to what’s actually happening rather than just repeating what other people say about him.

Biden is continuing to seek (and find) pathways to forgiving student loan debt, despite the Supreme Court ruling against his program. Millions of people have had their loans forgiven since that decision, and it seems more are getting it every day.

Anyone who thinks he’s senile or incoherent should listen to the interview he did on Conan O’Brien’s podcast that was released the other day. I was surprised that it went so well, and Biden was far more lucid than I’ve ever seen Trump.

PopOfAfrica,

I don’t think he’s senile, I just think he’s out of touch. It’s hard to be in touch as an 80-some year old man.

derphurr,

Doesn’t matter, over half won’t be voting. Even less than normal if GOP state legislatures do away with mail in ballots or automatic mailed request forms from COVID times.

nilloc,

The less people who vote the more elections Republicans win.

Make sure your friends go vote (unless they’re trumpeter assholes maybe, then don’t talk about it).

gravitas_deficiency,

Less young people voting is a direct result of the national DNC’s deeply infuriating tactic of promising a fuckton of stuff and then just abandoning those goals and… “compromising” with the GOP every single fucking time the chips are down. And here, “compromise” is pronounced “submit to”, because most Democrats have the neurological inability to understand that these days the GOP will betray them simply on principle, or because one GOP rep wants to tweet something so they can “troll the libs”. And then we all suffer for it.

We all fucking understand the stakes here. The DNC is actively pushing young voters away by using such a deeply cynical strategy and then thinking we’ll forget all about that stupidity the next time an election comes around. From where a lot of young people are standing, it looks a lot like a choice between “actively bad” and “passively bad”, and it’s hard to give a fuck about that, especially if you’re already struggling with other shit in your life, like most of our generation is to one degree or another.

Don’t get me wrong - I vote in every single election I can. But the amount of deeply, fundamentally uninspiring or even actively bad candidates I feel I’m forced to vote for, simply because they’re not a neo-Nazi or a member of the GOP is not small. And to all you vOTe fOr a ThiRD pArTY types out there: you and I both know that’s a great way to hand elections to the GOP, given how our shitty electoral system works.

Ensign_Crab,

The party is absolutely taking advantage of how bad their opponents have become. Democratic party leadership has regarded the left of the party with such withering contempt for so long, and then they wonder why the left resents them.

gravitas_deficiency,

It’s super frustrating, because while I still think it’s possible to move the DNC in a more reliably progressive direction, it’s abundantly clear all the fossils in charge of the party have no intention whatsoever of going in that direction, so we either need to force them out or wait for them to die.

Ensign_Crab,

And in the meantime, the planet is warming and the fascists they keep “compromising” with only need to win once.

sharkfucker420, (edited )
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Less than 50% voter turnout is a sign of a healthy democracy /s

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

This must be a joke.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

In what way?

Wodge,
@Wodge@lemmy.world avatar

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    gravitas_deficiency,

    I feel quite confident that the comment you’re responding to is an example of deadpan humor.

    sharkfucker420,
    @sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

    Should I have added a /s ? My bad lmao, that’s on me

    Amaltheamannen,

    This is obviously sarcasm lol

    Kase,

    Sharkfucker420, fuckin awesome username lol. Is this a joke or no?

    sharkfucker420,
    @sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

    This is a joke lol, added a /s for clarity

    AtariDump,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/cbd1bc2e-3c58-40e3-8b85-c13974bbcd45.jpeg

    Lucidlethargy,

    Yes, this is tradition.

    chriscz,

    In a world with such a myriad views how can there be a two party system. It’s utter madness.

    Cannacheques,

    Meh I reckon Boden at least chills, he knows that the US ain’t got shit to prove, they just do whatever they do and try not accidentally sell guns to too many of the wrong people lol

    Melatonin,

    But will they be excited - will they turn out?

    Grant_M,
    @Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

    This time the vote determines if there will ever be another opportunity to vote again.

    TheAlbacor,

    If we’re going to have a president who backs fascist regimes abroad no matter what, they might as well be less fascist domestically.

    The bar is so fucking low.

    PedroMaldonado,

    Young people prefer Joe over the guy LITERALLY ADVERTISING TYRANNY AS A FEATURE? What a fucking surprise.

    Objects,

    Now they just have to vote!

    dangblingus,

    The kids are alright. Aint nobody younger than 50 who isn’t a complete chud falling for that shit again.

    Amir,
    @Amir@lemmy.ml avatar

    Apparently 24%

    TokenBoomer,

    Claudia De la Cruz for President.

    Rooskie91,

    “Yong voters prefer man that can offer a slim hope of a future over man promising to plunge world into darkness.”

    Like who would vote for a guy saying he wants to be a dictator???

    UsedAndDenied, (edited )
    @UsedAndDenied@lemmy.today avatar

    29yo and I am definitely voting Biden.

    cultsuperstar,

    If that’s the case, hopefully they get out and vote.

    banneryear1868,

    “Prefer” doing a lot of work here

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