AaronMaria,

That sounds like a mob boss

cabron_offsets,

what the fuck is wrong with republicans ffs goddamn

SPRUNT,

He so very badly wants to use a nuclear weapon.

034521231,

How can you possibly believe that this is something actually wants to do? Honestly, how many times does the corporate media have to lie to us before you stop believing them?

PugJesus,
PugJesus avatar

How dare the corporate media lie to us by (checks notes) repeating what Trump says

Don't believe your eyes and ears

Hyperreality,

Don't believe your eyes and ears

Yep. Orwell, 1984:

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

Dystopian.

bane_killgrind,

Woosh

Hyperreality,

?

I was providing the source of the quote.

bane_killgrind,

Oh hmmm woosh on me I didn't read this right.

034521231,

So you actually believe Trump wants to encourage a war between Russia and NATO?

PugJesus,
PugJesus avatar

So you actually believe Trump wants to encourage a war between Russia and NATO?

No. Trump wants to encourage a war between Russia and a NATO country, and then sabotage NATO's response so they hesitate and his paymaster can claim the spoils before a wider war breaks out. And then blame the NATO country for it happening.

034521231,

And that would make you a conspiracy theorist, and not the kind actually based in facts.

HotDogFingies,
HotDogFingies avatar

No, actually.

D1G17AL,

If it quacks like a duck.

donuts, (edited )
donuts avatar

How can you possibly believe that this is something actually wants to do?

Because he literally said it himself, and he also happens to have said it on [person woman man] camera [TV].

Genuine question: Are you cultists so out of ideas for how to defend Trump's actions and words that the only thing you've got left is pathetic "lugenpresse" bullshit? Has it ever dawned on you that maybe Trump isn't your one true infallible god, and that maybe he has actually said and done a number of bad, and in some cases, criminal things? Are you that far up his fat orange ass that you refuse to see the emperor's new clothes for what they really are?

If so, I think you really ought to get help. Talk to someone. Please do yourself a favor and touch grass then come back and defend your old crook when you're ready to engage with the reality of the shit that he's saying and doing. When you're ready to at least try to defend Trump's actual record with facts and logic, we'll all be here to tear it apart with the cold hard truth.

034521231,

Just because someone says words doesnt mean they mean the words as written. If Trump was talking to his kid and said "I am going to kill you for that", and it was intended as a joke because he got shot with a squirt gun, but if it was trump that said it, they would literally write "Trump threatened to kill his child".

And no, I am not even going to vote for trump, but I see you guys just eating up the propaganda, and they could literally tell you anything and you would eat it up.

HotDogFingies,
HotDogFingies avatar

Trump is not exactly a poet. He tends to mean exactly what he says. I'd like to know how you'd prefer we interpret his words.

034521231,

Great!

HotDogFingies,
HotDogFingies avatar

What did he mean, then?

Hyperreality,

To paraphrase Sartre:

Never believe that [they] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. [They] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

HotDogFingies,
HotDogFingies avatar

Spot on, thank you.

donuts,
donuts avatar

It seems to me like you Trump defenders always want to have your cake and eat it too:

  • On one hand, you want to claim that he's the only honest and straight-shooting politician and he always tells it as it is. (Despite a long and well-documented history of saying things that are blatantly false. Sometimes simply misspeaking, other times outright lying.)
  • On the other hand, you quickly rush to hand-wave away concerns and criticisms every time he says something wrong, stupid, unhinged, antidemocratic, authoritarian, racist, bigoted, or downright evil. (It's always some kind of misunderstanding or some kind of conspiracy by the democrats/deep state/lying media/taylor swift/etc.)

So once again he's here literally spelling out the fact that he is willing to betray our NATO allies and thereby plunge us into World War 3 (just in case you think that's an exaggeration, look up what happens if Russia attacks NATO or vice versa). He's saying something that's (a) stupid, (b) wrong, (c) oblivious to how NATO works, (d) a betrayal of our allies and therefore American values, (e) a gift to Putin, among other things.

And so you're claiming it's what..?

  • A joke?

...Because usually when someone tells a joke people laugh.

  • A brain fart?

...Like he said something that he didn't actually mean to say? If so, then why is it so similar to the other things he's said about NATO in the past?

  • Is he confused maybe?

...Because Biden and Haley don't seem to get confused about important things like who we're loyal to.

  • Or maybe you're saying he's so damn stupid that he doesn't know the ramifications of what he's even saying?

...Because then maybe he needs to take yet another cognitive test so we can make sure that he can still remember what an elephant looks like.

And no, I am not even going to vote for trump, but I see you guys just eating up the propaganda, and they could literally tell you anything and you would eat it up.

Go for it, tell me.

I'm willing to let you try to convince me that the video I saw of Trump speaking, where he said exactly the thing we're talking about, is somehow "propaganda".

Please do go ahead and tell us all who made this "propaganda" and how they did it. Are you trying to claim that he didn't say these things or that they're taken out of context some how? Do you mean to say that he doesn't want to betray NATO in favor of Putin? Are you telling us that it's a AI deepfake or something? I honestly can't wait for you to explain just what you mean when you call this "propaganda".

I'll say this last thing:

If you believe that Trump (or anyone else for that matter) is being straightforward and honest every time they happen to be saying something you like or think is good, and at the same time, you also believe that Trump (or whoever) is being smeared, framed or taken out of context when they something you know is bad, then you are probably in a cult (whether you know it or not).

034521231,

Sorry, I am not going to read all. Was there a specific question you had?

donuts,
donuts avatar

Sorry I should have known you weren't much of a reader. No further questions.

034521231,

Would you read a flat earthers long argument about why the earth is flat? Maybe out of curiosity, but probably not. When you guys go on a trump rant, it is the same idea, I know you will just say things that dont have a lot of content, and are just emotional arguments.

D1G17AL,

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

D1G17AL,

What part of what he says do you think is true?

Fixbeat,

Traitorous degenerates.

Aux,

You made too many mistakes in “Putin’s puppets”.

BeardedSingleMalt,

“NATO was busted until I came along,” he began. “I said, ‘Everybody’s going to pay.’ They said, ‘Well, if we don’t pay are you still going to protect us?’ I said, ‘Absolutely not.’ They couldn’t believe the answer.”

This coming from the guy notorious for routinely stiffing payments on literally everyone and everything.

randomaside,
@randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

For real this guy’s entire empire is built on stiffing everyone and anyone.

SinningStromgald,

GOP projection continues.

ahornsirup,
@ahornsirup@sopuli.xyz avatar

It’s also not even how NATO works. Countries are recommended (not required, recommended) to spend 2% of GDP on their own defence forces.

sirico,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

But someone pointing out you guys needing state funded medical care is the traitorist Commie

Robdor,

His hands look weird.

gravitas_deficiency,

They’re very small

morphballganon,

Every part of his body that we’ve seen looks weird.

Grass,

There was that woman that compared his dick to toad from Mario games too so even parts we haven’t seen look weird.

Modern_medicine_isnt,

Plot twist, this causes NATO to boost it military, which in turn, manages to oust putin for someone European friendly. Trump refuses to pay the bill on our side, so NATO and the new russia invade and conquer the US.

bhamlin,

Do it. Wimp.

Rapidcreek,

Dangerously stupid or stupidly Dangerous?

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

“One of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, ‘Well sir, if we don’t pay and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?’ I said, ‘You didn’t pay? You’re delinquent?’ He said, ‘Yes, let’s say that happened.’ No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want,” Trump said.

Anticipating the possibility of this demented traitor getting back in power is probably why the NATO generals were talking about beefing up their militaries a few weeks ago.

numbermess,
numbermess avatar

"It's not what he meant in his heart"

carl_dungeon,

He wants Russia to penetrate Europe the same way Putin penetrates his ass every time they meet.

BobVersionFour,

Not just went they meet putin like total control and trump walk funny he might have one of those wireless buttplug in at all time for is master to play with it

Carvex,

What a loser.

Econgrad,

He’s a psycho

oDDmON,

You’re too kind.

PugJesus,
PugJesus avatar

He's a weapons-grade moron with the moral fiber and respectability of dog diarrhea.

gregorum,

Also, that

ObviouslyNotBanana,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t do dog diarrhea dirty like that

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