blazera,
blazera avatar

This whole fiasco is a disgrace to the rule of law. Hunter is a private citizen, he is not and has never been an elected official. Somehow his legal cases are going through congress, which is reserved for investigating crimes of elected officials. This is not supposed to be allowed, congress does not have the authority to hold court for private citizens. They're not gonna have the authority when they try subpoena'ing his documents related to his cases

AnotherAttorney,

Somehow his legal cases are going through congress, which is reserved for investigating crimes of elected officials.

It’s almost like his cases are being investigated in relation to another elected official or something — weird…

blazera,
blazera avatar

Its in the guise of that, but they still dont even have an allegation for Joe. Hunter did international business, and no ones given any evidence connecting any of it to Joe.

AnotherAttorney,

Here’s the gist of it, unsurprisingly it’s not really being covered by most media outlets:

https://oversight.house.gov/blog/evidence-of-joe-bidens-involvement-in-his-familys-influence-peddling-schemes/

snipgan,
snipgan avatar

From what I read from this link, none of this is hard evidence of President Biden doing anything illegal. Just a whole lot of "Biden has influence and connections" and Hunter maybe pushing "Do you know who my Dad is?" energy. Everything else hearsay and people just associating with the Biden's. None of which is particularly bad.

That and the Fox News headlines being pasted into this....."evidence"....certainly doesn't help it's credibility.

Considering also one of their key witness got caught being a Russian asset and there hasn't been anything else concrete to come forward, safe to say this impeachment "inquiry" is a big waste of time.

AnotherAttorney,

I’m curious then, in your mind, why would a third party tell Hunter Biden that Joe Biden would be receiving 10% of the profit from a deal with a Chinese energy company? If that wasn’t the case, wouldn’t Hunter have refuted it? Moreover, why would Hunter be complaining to other family members about having to give Joe half of his earnings?

Seems like all of that lends credibility to Joe’s active involvement in Hunter’s business dealings.

snipgan,
snipgan avatar

Again, those don't show Joe was involved in anything illegal.

Regardless of what Hunter didn't refute, an allegation or accusation isn't good enough. You have to actually show it.

AnotherAttorney,

those don't show Joe was involved in anything illegal

Other than receiving 10% of the profit from a business deal with a foreign adversary while in office, lol.

mister_monster,

He’s not the one being charged though, he’s been subpoenaed as a witness. The president is the person that’s being investigated.

blazera,
blazera avatar

Its been nothing but investigating Hunter.

this_1_is_mine,

And showing off his dick pics.

A_Random_Idiot,

Not only that.

But their primary witness and source of information in all this, was a Russian operative, and these people were warned in 2020 by our own intelligence operatives that the information they were getting from him was sketchy at best and stunk of Russian operations.

And even now, their star witness and the very foundational block they have built all this on has been arrested, has fully outright admitted the lies and that he was spreading lies on Russian orders, and Republicans are still like “Just because the core of our case is gone doesnt mean the core of our case is gone!”

Because its not about rule of law. Its not about whats right. Its not about investigations. Its not about these imaginary payments

Its about twisting the mechanisms of government into a Republican political campaign to hurt Biden to the benefit of Trump. Its about slinging shit at the wall 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, to see what sticks, and to flood the airwaves and news media with a torrent of bullshit in the hopes that just a tiny fraction of it will stick in someones head and influence their vote away from Democracy.

stoly,

It’s already been downplayed as him only having a very minor role in whole thing.

corsicanguppy,

I think that’s a good trial strategy.

And then demand the evidence as, it seems, they ran out.

BothsidesistFraud,

This is so irrelevant, who CARES

andrew, (edited )
@andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun avatar

They care because they want it to look like both sides are just pulling political stunts with impeachment. Trump was impeached twice and that looks pretty bad. Unless you can play a game that turns impeachment into a “move” that “everyone does now.”

AnotherAttorney,

Meanwhile another post about Boebert’s kid is on the front page of politics and news lol

Anamana, (edited )

I thought it’s about making one person president and not a whole family

PP_BOY_,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Presidents can choose whatever advisors they want

AbidanYre,

Hunter isn’t an advisor.

Dkarma,

Hunter isn’t anything. Hence the who cares.

AnotherAttorney,

Besides a business associate of Joe Biden lol

coffee_with_cream,

Member when they said that his laptop was Russian disinformation?

bigFab, (edited )

FBI: *confiscates Hunter’s laptop.

Republicans: Where is the laptop?

FBI: I don’t know what laptop means.

AbidanYre,

I didn’t know anyone was dumb enough to still believe that laptop story.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

I can find at least 10 in New Balance at the Home Depot

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Behold, our great American Institutions, smeared in red and white makeup, fastened to oversized shoes, and completed with a honking nose.

FfaerieOxide,
FfaerieOxide avatar

not as an artist

Hunt's an artist?

Nougat,

Pornography is art.

AnotherAttorney,
norbert,
norbert avatar

Why don't you actually contribute something instead of shitposting blogs from 6 months ago. What part specifically made you lol?

AnotherAttorney,

Oh hi Norby. Kinda ironic coming from you — don’t you have a Sartre quote or something to post without actually contributing anything?

norbert,
norbert avatar

MFW you dont understand the quote relates to you. For anyone unaware take note of this clowns name.

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

AnotherAttorney,

Oh thank god, I thought I was actually going to have to go a comment thread without you mindlessly quoting Sartre. Thank you for fulfilling your obligation of keeping the internet a little more dumb Norby.

cm0002,

I’ve lost track, did he finally get them to make the testimony open or whatever

dhork, (edited )

It doesn’t look like it. The NYT says it is a closed deposition. It looks like he made the decision to give the closed testimony the Republicans wanted. Although maybe he thinks that after their main informant was exposed as a Russian stooge, he can better control the narrative.

I bet he prepared this statement, and then released it himself right as he was giving his testimony, to make sure Republicans couldn’t hide it.

givesomefucks,

Open or closed doesn’t matter.

trump supporters will claim he’s guilty and Biden shouldn’t be president.

Biden supporters will say Hunter is 100% innocent of any crimes ever, even when he’s self admittedly broken lots of laws.

The majority of the country won’t give a shit except wanting all wealthy connected criminals to be held accountable regardless of their “team”. But no one is going to listen to us.

AbidanYre,

Biden supporters will say Hunter is 100% innocent of any crimes ever

No one is saying that. Anywhere.

rigatti,
@rigatti@lemmy.world avatar

For real. I’m voting for Biden 100%. Charge Hunter with tax evasion or whatever nonsense he’s guilty of, I don’t care.

givesomefucks,

You don’t remember the sawdust thing from a week ago?

A picture of sawdust that was texted to Biden from an addiction specialist he was seeing was erroneously included as evidence, and everyone was acting like that proved he was innocent. And didn’t lie of the gun forms

Despite the fact that Hunter literally wrote a book about all the drugs he was doing at the same time he bought the gun.

trump supporters literally do the same thing, show them 1,000 pieces of evidence and they’ll claim one thing you accidentally included invalidates everything and proves Trump is innocent.

Maybe this gas company really didn’t get any preferential treatment by hiring Hunter, but it’s hard to believe someone thinks he got his position off his own abilities.

If there’s no crime, cool. But that’s why we have trials in the first time.

Wealthy people do shady shit all the time. I’m not going to excuse Hunter because his dad is president, that’s what republicans do.

KairuByte,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It’s hilarious how much you’re misunderstanding.

Hunter is pretty obviously guilty of some of his charges, and was about to take a plea deal until it was pointed out that he could be charged further if he took the deal. I don’t think you’re going to find anyone who thinks he is innocent, and the only people saying it are either trolling or trying to stir the pot.

On the accusation of lying on the gun form, my understanding is that he wrote he was not abusing substances at the time of purchase, and the republican congress members were using the sawdust photo as evidence to the contrary? Assuming there is more evidence, I don’t see why that would mean he was innocent of that particular crime. Though I believe the argument being made is “we want to see all their evidence, the stuff they already shared is bonkers” and not “they made one mistake, checkmate atheists republicans.”

aniki, (edited )

Hunter Biden isn’t a politician. I don’t give a shit about his books and coke parties.

Imma break it down for you:

No one is a Biden stan, and no one cares about Hunter.

AnotherAttorney,

No one is a Biden stan, and no one cares about Hunter.

Lmfao. Bro this site and Reddit are constantly full of posts and comments either trying to circle jerk how great Biden is, or clear Hunter of any wrongdoing. There are a lot of people who stan Biden and clearly car about Hunter.

Y’all have like a kink for them, you’re just trying to deny it so hard.

givesomefucks, (edited )

Hunter Biden isn’t a politician. I don’t give a shit about his books and coke parties

Lots of Americans are tired of the wealthy getting away with shit…

If that’s not you, you’re in the privileged minority. Congrats.

And I have zero idea how you can claim with a straight face Biden has no “stans” as you call them

mmcintyre,

Good luck trying to convince anyone there’s lots of Americans who A) didn’t even have a single tattered shred of concern regarding Trump family members’ unchecked corruption while being actual White House advisers and B) are actually very concerned about the wealthy getting away with shit.

I mean you’re gonna need Trump levels of salesmanship to get anyone to buy that, and it just don’t seem like you’ve got it. Y’all never do. Thank goodness… one Trump is more than enough.

And “privileged minority”? Like, Jesus fucking Christ my guy.

Cuttlefish1111,

These people live in an alternate reality

AnotherAttorney,

The fact that you had to immediately reference Trump in a comment thread about people stanning Biden kinda proves OC’s point.

JaymesRS, (edited )

I’m pretty up on news and the social media cycle around it. Literally no one said it proved he was innocent, almost everyone I saw had a take that was some variation of “look how dumb the prosecution is trying to push this so hard. They are making stupid mistakes trying to make this a big thing. ” Can you link to someone of substance, mainstream media or even a large follower count saying something otherwise?

AnotherAttorney,

Here’s the first Reddit thread I found about it, some of the comments:

  • He's the only person to be charged with this crime while neither having been charged with any sort of substance abuse nor admit to using substances at the time of the gun purchase. The saddest part is Republicans are pursuing this baseless case because of political motivations, and Hunter isn't even a politician. (+211)
  • I’ve got pictures of me with the most apocalyptically oversized ice cream cone back in June, doesn’t mean I was addicted to ice cream. (+6)
  • Problem is… it’s a book. Assuming they have no other proof all he has to say was it was made up, or he had the timelines screwed up, or any number of other things. It’s not really a lot to base prosecution on. (+55)
  • Ive done coke without being addicted (+34)
  • But he wasn’t in the picture. It was a picture of a picture of NOT drugs. And even if it were a picture of drugs, he wasn’t in it. If you do think this specific picture is problematic, we should systematically go through every gun owner’s computer, email, and social media history. If we find any references, memes, pictures, or pictures of pictures that show drugs or something resembling drugs, we need to take that person to trial. (+25)
  • Something that countless people have done and not been charged with - lying on a gun form. It’s pretty rich. (+8)
  • I hate Republicans, but this obviously sounded ridiculous until I looked at the picture. It’s very clearly sawdust. This whole thing is manufactured, and then I saw that their “secret witness” was actually a Russian agent. It was already dumb enough that they were trying to drum up charges against Hunter to go after Joe, but now the whole thing has been revealed as basically disinformation from Putin. The only question that remains is if the Republicans knew the whole time or are they as stupid as they look. (+3)

And again — that’s just the first Reddit post I found lol.

ninjan, (edited )

I’m basically serially online and I have literally never seen anyone defending Hunter Biden. All I’ve seen is disbelief that Joe Biden would in anyway be involved in Hunters missteps and potential crimes.

Joe has been a politician for like half a century. He knows better than to in anyway associate with shit that can and will bite him in the ass politically. That said literally no one is squeaky clean, everyone at least parks unsafely or drives to fast or similar misdemeanors at least a few times at the bare minimum. I’m sure Joe has done quite a few questionable things but something blatantly criminal? Unlikely but if there is some actual evidence I would join in with the notion that he pays for his crimes like everybody else should.

AnotherAttorney,

Here’s the first Reddit thread I found about it, some of the comments:

  • He's the only person to be charged with this crime while neither having been charged with any sort of substance abuse nor admit to using substances at the time of the gun purchase. The saddest part is Republicans are pursuing this baseless case because of political motivations, and Hunter isn't even a politician. (+211)
  • I’ve got pictures of me with the most apocalyptically oversized ice cream cone back in June, doesn’t mean I was addicted to ice cream. (+6)
  • Problem is… it’s a book. Assuming they have no other proof all he has to say was it was made up, or he had the timelines screwed up, or any number of other things. It’s not really a lot to base prosecution on. (+55)
  • Ive done coke without being addicted (+34)
  • But he wasn’t in the picture. It was a picture of a picture of NOT drugs. And even if it were a picture of drugs, he wasn’t in it. If you do think this specific picture is problematic, we should systematically go through every gun owner’s computer, email, and social media history. If we find any references, memes, pictures, or pictures of pictures that show drugs or something resembling drugs, we need to take that person to trial. (+25)
  • Something that countless people have done and not been charged with - lying on a gun form. It’s pretty rich. (+8)
  • I hate Republicans, but this obviously sounded ridiculous until I looked at the picture. It’s very clearly sawdust. This whole thing is manufactured, and then I saw that their “secret witness” was actually a Russian agent. It was already dumb enough that they were trying to drum up charges against Hunter to go after Joe, but now the whole thing has been revealed as basically disinformation from Putin. The only question that remains is if the Republicans knew the whole time or are they as stupid as they look. (+3)

And again — that’s just the first Reddit post I found lol.

givesomefucks,

He knows better than to in anyway associate with shit that can and will bite him in the ass politically

Yeah, that’s why he went around Congress so Israels bombs for their genocide wouldn’t be delayed…

Because Biden is to smart to do stupid shit that jeopardizing he’s chances…

ninjan,

No that is clearly his politics. He has always been a staunch supporter of Israel. I don’t particularly like that but it’s not out of character for him.

I meant in the private sense. He wouldn’t pull a favor for a relative when that favor would be questionable not only ethically but legally, it’s just not worth it if you’re angling for the higher echelons of political power.

givesomefucks,

I meant in the private sense

How do you rationalize Bidens drug stance politically?

He’s so conservative he won’t even reschedule cannabis, and is still (last I heard) supportive of the “child predator” crime bill that instituted huge minimum sentences on drug use.

Yet his own son is different. He didn’t think the best thing for Hunter was a stuff jail sentence, or he’d have turned him in himself instead of getting him treatment.

Right there, plan as day. Different set of standards.

Hell, Hunter popped for coke in the military and somehow still got an immediate admin discharge. I know a lot of people who got kicked out for drugs, but no one that was able to immediately get an admin.

You think his dad being Joe Biden didn’t play into that at all? Even if Joe never picked up the phone, that played a part.

There’s rules for the rich, and rules for us.

Biden is better than trump, but neither of them want their own people to be subject to the same rules we are.

So they’re not equally the problem, but it’s like arguing the best we can ask for is a benevolent oligarchy

ninjan,

Sure, and I have no interest in defending any positions of his that I oppose. But as you say this autumn it isn’t about what I want in a politician (and you’d be hard pressed to ever find someone you agree with on every policy) it’s about Trump or Biden. Democrats or Republicans in Congress. It’s a shitty choice, but solving that is about voting for replacements in primaries and if none exist then actually putting your name in or pushing someone you think is suited into that track. It’s about actually getting involved in democracy and not just leave it to the rich and powerful. Come election day the choice is A or B. If you want C then sorry bud but you missed the window to get C on the ballot or C isn’t nearly as popular as you think.

givesomefucks,

So DNC canceling a primary really worked on some people?

What they’ve been telling progressives for over a decade is the only time they can speak got yanked away, and you just shrug and carry on?

I honestly didn’t think the Dem party so was really going to follow republicans down this road, but apparently lots of voters are fine with it

ninjan,

I’d argue a presidential primary is also well to late. And for a primary to matter you need candidates that actually want to challenge the presumptive choice in the incumbent president. If no alternatives exist there’s no point in vasting money on a primary.

givesomefucks, (edited )

We’re just a few cycles removed from the DNC openly blackballed companies for working with House challengers…

And people really act like they don’t understand why people weren’t lining up to flush their careers down the toilet.

Hell, even in 2020 all but Bernie dropped out by like the second primary.

You’ve never heard the term “backroom politics” before?

BolexForSoup, (edited )
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  • AnotherAttorney,

    What kind of parent turns in their own kid to the authorities because of a drug addiction?

    Well when you’re the POTUS and your son is actively lying about his drug use on firearms forms that are administered by your office…

    aubeynarf,

    Classic gish gallop here. Stick to the topic at hand instead of throwing a new “talking point” into every reply.

    givesomefucks,

    What account did I block that you switched to your porn account to insult me?

    Mcdolan,

    Lmao are you saying you block accounts that don’t agree with you? Have fun in your safe space snowflake…

    givesomefucks,

    I block people that sound like trumpets…

    Like calling people “snowflake”

    It’s a surprisingly long list, especially since people don’t let it go and switch to their alts to keep piling on the insults.

    But obviously your 8 month old account with 17 comments isn’t at all relevant to that fact…

    aniki, (edited )

    Ok Snowflake! So sensitive. You know spring is coming, right?

    aubeynarf,

    This says a lot about your online demeanor!

    AbidanYre, (edited )

    Sounds like quite the persecution complex to think people are using multiple accounts to harass him when he stops responding. I doubt anyone cares that much.

    aniki,

    GOP mouth-breathers just love to come up with boogie-men arguments that no one on earth are making.

    You could string Hunter Biden up in the gallows by his toenails and I wouldn’t give a shit other than just continuously hating the state’s monopoly on violence. His existence is irrelevant to me.

    quindraco,

    You could… read the article.

    Republicans launched contempt of Congress proceedings against Hunter Biden as a result of his defiance, advancing the resolution in January. Hunter Biden’s team, however, acquiesced before the full House voted on the measure, saying he would sit for a closed-door deposition if Republicans reissued their subpoena — which they did.

    LifeInMultipleChoice, (edited )

    Why would he. It is clearly a trap. It needs to performed by the judiciary branch and open to the public or it should hold no grounds

    stoly,

    Because his lawyer got an agreement that there would be no recordings and the transcript would be released instantly.

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