Kyle Rittenhouse storms off stage after being confronted by students

Kyle Rittenhouse abruptly departed the stage during an appearance at the University of Memphis on Wednesday, after he was confronted about comments made by Turning Point USA founder and president Charlie Kirk.

Rittenhouse was invited by the college’s Turning Point USA chapter to speak at the campus. However, the event was met with backlash from a number of students who objected to Rittenhouse’s presence.

The 21-year-old gained notoriety in August 2020 when, at the age of 17, he shot and killed two men—Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26, as well as injuring 26-year-old Gaige Grosskreutz—at a protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

He said the three shootings, carried out with a semi-automatic AR-15-style firearm, were in self-defense. The Black Lives Matter (BLM) protest where the shootings took place was held after Jacob Blake, a Black man, was left paralyzed from the waist down after he was shot by a white police officer.

ChonkyOwlbear,

Even if you don’t think it was murder, it’s repulsive that he is trying to make a career out of killing two people.

EatATaco,

I think the debate is nuanced so I’m not trying to say it’s absolutely equatable, I’m more trying to feel out your actual position.

If a woman was being abused by her husband, stood up to him and killed him in self defense…if domestic abuse/survivor groups invited her to speak, would it be also repulsive?

nexguy,
@nexguy@lemmy.world avatar

Or say that woman armed herself as a child(17 yr old) and walked into a tense situation of strangers untrained and ready to shoot someone… and then ends up shooting someone. Might be a better comparison.

EatATaco, (edited )

Perfect example. She shoots him with a gun she bought and then brought back home. To the people who think he’s a victim, you’re the one saying “well, she should have left him and certainly not brought the gun into the house!”

But I understand that the question will be avoided at all costs, because that’s the only way to deal with the cognitive dissonance.

TexasDrunk,

I’ll answer it by pointing out that you’re building a straw man. I would call you a goat fellating syphilis factory but I’m pretty sure that both goats and syphilis would hate to be inside you.

There is a clear difference between putting yourself in a situation by crossing state lines over some shit that has nothing to do with you and having to live with an abuser. She has to go home to a person. He could have stayed his ass home knowing what was happening and would have been just fucking fine. He was looking to kill, she’s trying to live. If she’s making a living on it, it’s making a living on surviving, not going to look for trouble. But you can’t see that, you slimy donkey fucking inbred.

I get that people like you argue in bad faith. I really don’t care and this response isn’t for you. In fact I’m blocking you after I make this because I have no interest in listening to a sniveling shit pile try to lawyer his way into making crossing state lines hoping to kill someone ok. I’m writing this so anyone confused about what kind of person you are can read and see that you’re looking to find a way to kill.

Go fuck yourself instead of forcing yourself on your sister-cousin again. I hope that last brain cell you’re clinging to falls out and knocks out that last tooth that’s holding on by a thread on its way out.

EatATaco,

I love how you claim you are going to answer the question, and then simply insult me while not answering the question… And the telling me you’re blocking me.

You’re doing me a favor. Thanks.

fosho,

judging by the votes, you are deluded

EatATaco,

I feel bad for people who think that popularity is the same as correctness. You are basically doing the equivalent of “wow, this influencer has a lots of followers. They can’t be wrong!” Lol

fosho,

you say this like you’re not the one doing mental gymnastics to justify your fucked up position.

EatATaco,

Whether I’m wrong has zero bearing on what’s popular not being equivalent to being right.

fosho,

sure, but you are still completely wrong.

EatATaco,

Your complete lack of any argument is very convincing.

fosho,

plenty of others already did, which you are conveniently ignoring. your analogy is garbage and reveals how poorly conceived and deluded your position is. as such, you aren’t worth anyone’s effort.

EatATaco,

I’ve ignored nothing, and once again you’ve made no argument. You don’t have to keep making it clear you have no faith in your position.

AbidanYre,

It’s actually a pretty terrible example. A person has a right to be safe in their own home. Kyle had no reason to cross state lines with an illegally acquired rifle.

Samueru,

Kyle had no reason to cross state lines with an illegally acquired rifle.

They actually had more reason than the rest of the people he shot, because they at least worked on that town.

Also the rifle never made it across state lines, it was always there at dominick black’s home.

AbidanYre, (edited )

Cool, no one had any reason to be there. That doesn’t make it ok for some dipshit to shoot them.

The gun that his friend bought for him because he couldn’t buy it himself, and he never had it at his own house? There’s so much convoluted bullshit wrapped around trying to justify his ownership of that gun…

Samueru,

That doesn’t make it ok for some dipshit to shoot them.

Yes it does, it was either let him be attacked by rosenbaum or the crowd (which the crowd actually began hitting him anyway lol) or defend yourself.

This isn’t even a stand your ground case because rittenhouse tried to flee in every case lol.

The gun that his friend night for him because he couldn’t legally buy it himself, and he never had it at his own house? There’s so much convoluted bullshit wrapped around trying to justify his ownership of that gun…

You said that he crossed state lines with the rifle.

EatATaco,

You’re avoiding the question. Would it be repulsive for abuse survivors to invite her to talk?

AbidanYre,

Because it’s an irrelevant strawman.

frezik,

Maybe people are avoiding it because it has fuck all to do with Rittenhouse.

EatATaco,

Then just move on if you don’t see the point. The fact that everyone who has responded has blatantly misrepresented my point or asked a question back without answering mine tells me a lot about how the avoidance isn’t because it supposedly has nothing to do with the topic.

frezik,

If you take a shit on someone’s dinner plate and call it chocolate cake, we’re not obliged to eat it, and in fact may be very upset and tell you to GTFO.

EatATaco,

You’re right, you’re not. Which is why I said you were free to move on. But just because you don’t like what I’m saying doesn’t mean you can’t misrepresent it.

frezik,

You’re an idiot.

EatATaco,

You’re probably right. And yet I’m still light years more intelligent and objective than you.

frezik,

You’re an idiot.

Blooper,

Hang on - in your analogy, the 17 year old kid is the battered wife and the black strangers - miles away and across state lines - are his abusers? Suggesting the kid was somehow a victim here? Like he spent his whole life being tortured by his abusive spouse (black strangers)?

da fuq?

EatATaco,

I’m feeling out the position. These people think he legitimately acted in self defense. Just like we might all believe she acted in self defense. My position isn’t about equating these two things, I even explicitly said so. It’s about whether its “repulsive” to invite someone because they acted in self defense.

MsPenguinette,

Not OP but then yeah, it’d be repulsive to invite her to events as a hero. Maybe if it were an abuse awareness thing or a support group it’d be different. But if it were in the same way Rittenhouse was/is celebrated, that’d be fucked.

EatATaco,

Fair enough, you would be consistent then.

octopus_ink,

You’re avoiding the question. Would it be repulsive for abuse survivors to invite her to talk?

Because it’s transparently obvious that you want folks to go “of course that wouldn’t be repulsive” so you can go “AH HA!” when in reality this tortured attempt to equate the two has no value aside from disingenuous rhetorical plays as you are attempting.

EatATaco,

Remember this all comes from someone saying that even if you don’t think he’s guilty of murder, it should still be repulsive that he’s being invited to and going to talks, because he killed some people.

I’m trying to get people to realize that if you think he’s innocent, you wouldn’t find this repulsive. there is nothing disingenuous about that.

What is disingenuous is misrepresenting my position in an attempt to avoid facing this contradiction, which is what you are accusing them all of doing.

octopus_ink,

Plonk.

aidan,

State lines means nothing when it’s a city on the border, and the illegal firearm charge was thrown out for, yk, not being true

AbidanYre,

State lines means nothing

“Laws don’t matter as long as some shit bag gets to shoot liberals.”

Fuck off.

aidan,

That’s not what I said, but iirc he didn’t cross the gun with state lines- I may be misremembering though.

Fuck off.

Please read the rules if you care so much about laws.

gamermanh,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Please read the rules if you care so much about laws.

Lol, fuck off, rules on Lemmy aren’t laws and you know it

aidan,

No they aren’t laws, but you should follow them if you want to stay in the community. You’re free to disagree with me all you like, but just insulting any user is forbidden

bobburger,

You seem to be JAQing off here, but your straw man is pretty weak.

Let's say instead the abused woman is safely away from her husband and he can't harm her any more. Then she illegally obtains a firearm, drives 2 hours to the husband's place of work, starts a fight with him, and when he starts to get violent with her she the shoots him.

Do you think this woman is justified in the shooting?

feedum_sneedson, (edited )

Hey - I’m past asking questions, I’m literally just masturbating.

aidan, (edited )

But Rittenhouse neither illegally obtained the firearm nor drove two hours? And Rittenhouse had just as much a right to be there as the protestors

bobburger,

He also wasn't married to an abusive man. What's your point?

aidan,

Well why mention that for the analogy then?

EatATaco,

Why would I answer your unrelated question if you are unwilling to answer mine? Whether I think anyone is justified is not really the point of the analogy.

ChonkyOwlbear,

With Rittenhouse it’s more like a woman was being abused by her husband, she tried to hit him back him in self defense, but then he killed her and then made a career out of giving talks about how brave he was for defending himself.

Uranium3006,
Uranium3006 avatar

The guy who stalked and shot treyvon Martin sold the gun at auction

nonailsleft,

I don’t think he gets many other job offers

Mycatiskai,

I can’t help but think if he ever was offered a job even if it was back end not front of shop that they would ask him to not tell anyone that he worked there.

Sterile_Technique,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

He’s a mascot for the GOP - I doubt he’d have that hard a time getting a job at Fox or some other misinformation distributor.

KingThrillgore,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Until they have no use for you and then it’s back to the streets

billiam0202,

Who the fuck would listen to him? He’s got all the charisma you’d expect a snot-nosed faux-crying-at-trial murderous teenager would have. Playing the “victim” of the “woke leftist mob” only gets you 15 minutes- just ask that dipshit AR-wielding ambulance chaser and his mustard-covered wife in Missouri how famous they are these days.

Sterile_Technique,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

He’s got all the charisma you’d expect a snot-nosed faux-crying-at-trial murderous teenager would have.

Isn’t that like every rightwing talking head under the age of 40? The red team eats that shit up.

MsPenguinette,

Makes it all the more impressive that he ain’t got what it’s takes to be an entertainer for the right

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

To be a fox news anchor, you have to have a personality. I mean, it can be one where you scream and yell, but you can’t walk off the stage—because the show must go on. He’s annoying, even to his own, and a liability.

moistclump,

Racist murderer? Does that not sound like American cop material to you?

KreekyBonez,

just watch how many will refute being “racist” or a “murderer”

not both; because that would be messed up

feedum_sneedson,

I’ll have a go! He may well be racist but he killed white people, and was legally found to have acted in self-defence. So all we can really say is he’s a killer. I’m not planning on being friends with the guy, but I do like a little precision in my speech.

Carmakazi,
  1. TPUSA is running the show, not Rittenhouse. They recruited him like an intelligence asset by showering him with praise and “favors” in a time where he was (deservedly) receiving national ire.
  2. People need to understand that the American right has a pervasive violent ideation. His actions are repulsive to you, but they are normal, necessary, and a sign of strength to the gun-owning right. Many, many Americans love what he did.

These people Want. To. Kill. You.

someguy3, (edited )

“Charlie Kirk has said a lot of racist things,” said a student addressing Rittenhouse from the audience.

“What racist things has Charlie Kirk said?” Rittenhouse challenged. “We’re gonna have a little bit of a dialogue of what racist things that Charlie Kirk said.”

The student responded of Kirk: “He says that we shouldn’t celebrate Juneteenth, we shouldn’t celebrate Martin Luther King day—we should be working those days—he called Ketanji Brown Jackson an affirmative action hire, he said all this nonsense about George Floyd, and he said he’d be scared if a Black pilot was on a plane. Does that not seem racist?”

“I don’t know anything about that,” Rittenhouse said from the stage, prompting jeers among the audience.

“Does that seem racist is a yes or no question, Kyle,” yelled one attendee.

“Well, after all the things I just told you, would you consider that hate speech,” the student asked Rittenhouse, who had a dog with him onstage.

“I’m not gonna comment on that,” Rittenhouse said, sparking more noise from the crowd.

Seconds later, Rittenhouse abruptly exited the stage to cheers from the crowd. The attendees were then promptly ordered to depart the venue.

aidan,

I mean that seems fair that he wouldn’t comment on something he doesn’t know about

afraid_of_zombies,

You know at work when I can’t give a firm answer to a question I will just say so and promise to find out. Turns out when you are not a murderer people cut you slack

hardaysknight,

I’m sure the people he killed would disagree

aidan,

What?

afraid_of_zombies,

It’s a good point. On one context he was quite willing to take human life but he definitely doesn’t want to get misquoted so he takes the time and energy to get it right.

aidan,

Oh I see, idk, seems like he’s just someone who gets scared under pressure

afraid_of_zombies,

Exactly the kinda person who shouldn’t have a gun.

aidan,

Also exactly the kinda person who might need a gun to defend themselves.

afraid_of_zombies,

He traveled there.

aidan,

Yes

FurtiveFugitive,

“I haven’t heard those quotes before. Presented without context, they sound pretty bad but I will reserve judgement until I’ve had a chance to do more research.”

That wasn’t that hard of a question to duck.

aidan,

That’s easy to say in retrospect but a lot of people can’t think of something to say when asked something unexpected on the spot. Even if they know the answer.

maynarkh,

“I don’t know anything about that,”

This seems to be the canned response to all “uncomfortable” topics.

It seems that right-wing “debates” are not about arguing a point or another, but bringing up the “right” talking points, and backing out the wrong ones.

EatATaco, (edited )

Please don’t normalizing hating on people for not knowing something. If you think he actually knows kirk said these things, then please provide the proof. But if you are simply attacking him for admitting he doesn’t know something, then you’re part of the problem.

thesohoriots,

There’s a very simple way to answer this sort of question that was posed — by condemning the blatant racism of the statements themselves while acknowledging he didn’t know if Kirk had said them — and he decided not to do that.

EatATaco, (edited )

I think you have a point. However, you’re referring to later in the exchange. The poster imt responding to is attacking him for claiming he didn’t know whether Kirk had said those things. But if multiple people were shouting at him at that point, I can see why he reverted back to “no comment.”

aidan, (edited )

The issue is he couldn’t know at that moment if what the students said or their portrayal of it is accurate. Furthermore, people can’t just instantly reach informed conclusions about things, a lot of people need, yk time to think. If I try to think about something on the spot I’ll just stutter and not make any sense

akakunai,

“I am not aware of these comments or their context, but if said—yes, I agree they are racist.” Not hard.

aidan,

That’s easy to say in retrospect, it’s hard for a lot of people to answer something they didn’t expect on the spot, even if they know the answer

WaxedWookie,

Rittenhouse isn’t some random dipshit that got cornered (ironically, a favourite of the likes of Crowder and Shapiro until they realised even students embarrass them) - he’s the Daily Wire’s spokesperson for crossing state lines to manufacture a situation to murder your political opponents. He chose to speak in front of that crowd, chose to field questions, and chose to run (presumably because he didn’t have a gun to kill those he disagrees with).

aidan,

Yeah what your saying is he is not famous for his speaking skills, which are normal person levels. So I don’t see why this is surprising

WaxedWookie,

It’s literally his job - he’s a paid spokesperson on a speaking tour.

aidan,

Yes, that doesn’t change what I said

WaxedWookie,

Do you consistently defend people that you admit are unqualified for their job and incapable of doing it - even when it’s as essential as bragging about crossing state lines to procure a gun and manufacture a flimsy legal pretext to kill your political opponents, or is this an outlier for you?

aidan, (edited )

I try to understand everyone’s situation and actions

WaxedWookie,

Everyone does that - unlike you, most people are also capable of progressing to conclusions from straightforward situations or answering simple questions.

This has strong neo-Nazi-style “just asking questions” energy. If you’re capable of drawing conclusions, own them. If you’re not, you’ve got nothing to contribute here.

aidan,

from straightforward situations or answering simple questions.

Do you mean baseless assumptions?

This has strong neo-Nazi-style “just asking questions” energy. If you’re capable of drawing conclusions, own them.

This is your reaction to me saying it’s not surprising that a young adult is awkward and doesn’t handle unexpected confrontation well.

WaxedWookie, (edited )

Edit: Most of this is way off topic in response to an entirely different dipshit.

Do you mean baseless assumptions?

No - I mean obvious conclusions - you know, like seeing HD footage of the IDF drone striking obvious unarmed civilians and concluding they’re drone striking obvious unarmed civilians. Never mind the rhetoric of their government or the IDF, or the track record of either. Baseless is pretending it’s plausible they’re Hamas.

This is your reaction to me saying it’s not surprising that a young adult is awkward and doesn’t handle unexpected confrontation well.

Nope - this is in response to you seeing clear, entirely unambiguous evidence of warcrimes and saying we can’t possibly know what’s happening. I know how old I am, and some genocide denying dipshit telling me otherwise isn’t going to change that.

Just to drive the point home, I’ll ask the question we know you can’t answer one final time - where’s your evidence these civilians are Hamas?

aidan,

Um I think you’re writing the wrong argument, this is about Rittenhouse

WaxedWookie,

My mistake - I’ll return to the question you haven’t answered.

Do you consistently defend people that are clearly unqualified and incapable of doing their job as they fail woefully, or is this an edge case for you? I suppose that unlike most, the likes of Rittenhouse and Kirk aren’t doing anything of value - it’s not as though they’re performing surgery, driving a bus, or flipping burgers.

aidan,

Do you consistently defend people that are clearly unqualified and incapable of doing their job as they fail woefully, or is this an edge case for you?

I’ll repeat what I said, I empathize with people. They are not just their utility. He is not famous for his speaking skills, but TPUSA are clearly trying to capitalize on them, whatever not my problem. Anyone who paid to see him knew what they were getting

WaxedWookie,

I empathize with people. (…) Anyone who paid to see him knew what they were getting.

You’re empathising with the same thing the audience went to see - the extreme right’s posterchild for killing your political opponents. The analysis is super-straightforward and backed by studies - this is simply ignorant hate, fear, and disgust stoked by the likes of TPUSA. The fact that you can’t progress to synthesising straightforward conclusions is a massive red flag.

aidan,

I will empathize with everyone. It’s not an optional thing for me.

WaxedWookie,

You’re very empathetic - that’s entirely unremarkable. One can empathise with Hitler - but only a mentally deficient or monstrous person would stop at empathy and be incapable of synthesising conclusions like he was a bad guy that did bad things. It’s like reading without comprehending.

Why can’t you advance past the insistence you empathise with Rittenhouse toward an opinion? Are you deficient or dodging?

aidan,

What is there to have an opinion on? He’s socially awkward? I said that. What more is there to draw from this? Also remember insults and uncivil behavior are not allowed

WaxedWookie,

Here’s mine.

Travelling interstate to put yourself in a position to shoot 3 people, killing two of them is incredibly stupid at best. Proceeding from that to a job for a transparently dishonest media org that has hired you primarily to celebrate your killings demonstrates a total lack of remorse, and incites similar politically motivated killings in what amounts to pretty clear-cut stochastic terrorism. If we take him at his word, he’s done no research into the media company that hired him, and has been on stage at events where openly racist nonsense has been celebrated without him noticing - if this is true, he’s deficient enough that he should be in assisted living. The reasonable conclusion is that he’s some degree of comfortable with the racism.

So we have a remorseless killer, stochastic terrorist, propagandist (or useful idiot) that doesn’t care about or actively embraces racism.

aidan,

Proceeding from that to a job for a transparently dishonest media org that has hired you primarily to celebrate your killings demonstrates a total lack of remorse,

It has been several years, and he did cry a lot when it happened, but I’m not sure remorse is necessary if it was in self-defense. I’m also not sure what other opportunities he has.

If we take him at his word, he’s done no research into the media company that hired him

Nobody tries to find problems with the hand that feeds them. Honestly, with everything said about people like Dennis Prager and TPUSA, from his perspective he can just think “leftists hate and lie about them like they hated and lied about me”.

WaxedWookie,

It has been several years, and he did cry a lot when it happened

He’s not new to the circuit, and he cried when it looked like he might wind up in prison. None of this is remorse.

I’m not sure remorse is necessary if it was in self-defense.

True - though I’d say it seems common. Either way, crossing state lines to procure a firearm to take to that protest to create the pretext to shoot people was not self-defence. That’s premeditated.

I’m also not sure what other opportunities he has.

I won’t be losing any sleep over someone having some extra difficulty finding employment after getting away with what he did. There’s no shortage of people that support him - finding a job that doesn’t involve bragging about killing 2 people isn’t a big ask.

Nobody tries to find problems with the hand that feeds them.

This simply isn’t true. I’ve turned down lucrative job offers (e.g. 70%+ more than what I was on at the time plus significant chunks of equity and benefits) because I had concerns about the ethics of the prospective employers. I’ve also spoken out about issues with my employers that have cost me multiple jobs (and chasing me out rather than listening buried at least one of those businesses). I don’t hold others to standards I don’t uphold myself.

Honestly, with everything said about people like Dennis Prager and TPUSA, from his perspective he can just think “leftists hate and lie about them like they hated and lied about me”.

I’m not going to make excuses for him dismissing the endless, quantified criticism of a transparently dishonest, racist propaganda outfit and the parade of absolute scumbags he chose to work alongside.

crusa187,

Asking whether those things are hate speech is a yes/no question. Pretending to not know Kirk is a racist sack of shit was obvious deflection. Good on the students for calling out this bs.

Wrench,

You’re telling me that the guy who showed up to counter protest with a gun, who provoked protestors while holding a gun, is actually a coward who’s too afraid to comment on the racist remarks of his shitty friend.

Who’da’thunk’it

whodatdair,

Fuck yeah, make that piece of shit feel bad. Pure uncut Colombian schadenfreude.

notsofunnycomment,
@notsofunnycomment@mander.xyz avatar

What is Colombian schadenfreude?

Guntrigger,

Probably still schadenfreude, since we use the German word in English.

Tom_Hanx_Hail_Satan,
@Tom_Hanx_Hail_Satan@lemmy.ca avatar

“Uncut Colombian” is a drug reference for cocaine. He’s just trying to say it’s the “best of the best”.

TexasDrunk,

I’m saying I snort that shit.

IvanOverdrive, (edited )

And schadenfreude is the leftover discharge from anal sex. Named after former US senator and moral crusader Rick Schadenfreude.

WaxedWookie,

They fly him around the country, but the media outfit he’s working for didn’t bother to invest in media training for their homicidal poster boy?

So much for standing your ground.

Eldritch,

Or seat fillers.

Serinus,

They haven’t yet taught him how to deflect the truth. Teach him that what he believes is bullshit, but profitable. Teach him how to understand and ignore the truth. Teach him how to just be louder than opposition. Have him memorize talking points and teach him to always retreat to them (especially when not appropriate). Give him 15 years of practice doing that, then he’ll be great at owning college libs, preferably on camera.

tootoughtoremember,

“We’re gonna have a little bit of a dialogue of what racist things that Charlie Kirk said.”

“I don’t know anything about that,”

Not much of a dialogue lol

frezik,

Someone taught him how to have the aesthetics of a rational argument, but forgot the part about the substance.

Amputret,
@Amputret@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Benny bitch-boy’s made a whole career out of doing that.

sirboozebum,

lol.

What a bitch.

phoneymouse, (edited )

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    Masterblaster420,

    i hope it hits him real hard. make an example out of these people.

    Ragnarok314159,

    I feel like the right will abandon him completely someday soon. He keeps messing up, and has zero charisma to really be a figurehead or an icon.

    He will then attempt to find himself and show so much remorse in an attempt to grift the left side of politics. Something something “what happened was awful, and a 17 year old should have never been allowed to have a weapon” - and it will all be said without ever taking responsibility or admitted to wrongdoing.

    Empricorn,

    I’d like to also hit him.

    papalonian,

    “I think it’s funny how everyone’s saying I got booted off stage, when in reality, we just did a hard cutoff time and just happened to leave at that time…”

    Lmfao solid save

    0110010001100010,
    @0110010001100010@lemmy.world avatar

    “I think it’s funny how everyone’s saying I got booted off stage, when in reality, we just did a hard cutoff time and just happened to leave at that time…”

    Press (X) to doubt

    oo1,

    x

    Witchfire,
    @Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

    Roll Insight (DC 5)

    afraid_of_zombies,

    Crit fail

    Dm: you know he is full of shit.

    tym,

    ruh roh… he went to pump up his kicks… run!

    Clbull,

    Why are we giving this guy a platform? He’s basically a grifter who got famous from walking into a Black Lives Matter protest to stir shit up, shooting three (and killing two) protesters and then somehow being acquited by a jury.

    SwingingTheLamp,

    Nitpick: It wasn’t a BLM protest. It was protests and unrest following the shooting of Jacob Blake. The events over many days in Kenosha included some organized BLM protests, but also outside agitators who wanted to stir shit up. BLM protests took place in daylight hours. Rittenhouse went there for the unorganized unrest in the nighttime hours.

    I mention this because it’s a right-wing rhetorical tactic to link BLM to violence in people’s minds to discredit the organization and movement, and it’s bogus.

    Furedadmins,

    Those students are lucky that piece of shit wasn’t strapped.

    ZK686,

    If this kid was black, you’d all be praising him for killing two white people who were attacking him. The reason Lemmy and Reddit hate this dude is because you associate him with some kind of “white privilege” for going to help defend businesses from being destroyed (at the request of the city’s businesses who had enough of the rioting and torching) he ends up defending himself against criminals who were there just to cause problems.

    squid_slime, (edited )
    @squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

    he’d have been arrested straight away for brandishing a firearm whilst being underage and crossing state line.

    Eggyhead,

    Had a cheeky peek at your comment history and it sure seems like you’re at war with reality, friend. You do you, but that fight is never going to end.

    ZK686,

    “War with reality” is your way of saying “we must all think, act, and feel the same. If we’re not all liberals voting Democrat, than our country is doomed!”

    Mastengwe,

    “War with reality” means you are adamantly denying reality to the point that you’ll argue with people to protect your belief in the propaganda you’ve fallen for.

    ZK686,

    And the left doesn’t do this…right? LOL…

    Mastengwe,

    No one side is completely innocent, however- I’ve not seen anyone on the left go to such measures to deny reality to the extent that the right-wing ignorati does.

    The people on the left that do- are usually incredibly fringe and extreme, but pretty much anyone right-of-center are just as batshit as you appear to be.

    INHALE_VEGETABLES,

    Lol, nah.

    Ragdoll_X, (edited )
    @Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world avatar

    He actively sought out confrontation and killed two people after he got the confrontation he wanted. The right idolizes him because he’s a murderer and buddied up to white supremacists, and now he’s pandering to them for money and affirmation, and runs away as soon as he faces any criticism.

    So no, we don’t dislike him for being white. We dislike him for being just like any other fascist grifter who fetishizes violence.

    ZK686,

    Oh brother…here we go…

    ZK686,

    This dude is 100% innocent …ya’ll just mad that he killed two criminals.

    squid_slime, (edited )
    @squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

    legally yes, politically hes a cunt and his intentions were obvious. edit: it wasn’t up to Kyle to dish out justice for past crimes he doesnt get a free pass on that account.

    Wanderer,

    Kid sees the downfall of society happening and tries to do something about it. He then defended himself when needed against 3 aggressors.

    Got to respect the kid.

    capital_sniff,

    Or the little twerp could’ve followed the law and not be out past curfew brandishing a firearm.

    Wanderer,

    Only if everyone did.

    FreddyDunningKruger,

    You are so right! He locked and loaded and drove 20 miles away from his front porch, and he didn’t even need to get a hunting license, did he? Level with me, my fellow hunter, after he pulled that trigger and wiped two human lives out of existence forever, do you think that was the first time he ever maintained an erection longer than a couple of seconds?

    What I don’t understand, is why some people get hard thinking about other people’s murder counts. Right, buddy? But yeah, respect!

    dezmd, (edited )
    @dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

    I still cant’ get past his forced cry at his trail, with the little side eye peek to see if they were watching.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6f3741cc-b909-40ff-8758-a438b167c48b.gif

    0_o,

    For anyone interested the full trail is still available online and is a very interesting watch for anyone even remotely interested in the US justice system. I do feel a lot of the commenters above may feel differently after watching the entire trial and viewing the evidence presented first-hand rather than skewed through the lenses of journalists from either side of the political compass.

    infamousta, (edited )

    I think that most critics of Kyle Rittenhouse don’t disagree with the carriage of justice as much as the disgusting capitalization of his person after the fact. And the entire rationalization for bringing a weapon to a protest is frankly sick, whether he used justified force or not.

    Samueru, (edited )

    I think that most critics of Kyle Rittenhouse don’t disagree with the carriage of justice

    This very thread is full of people saying that the judge was biased and lying with what actually happened.

    edit: look no further that people are comparing the trial to OJ Simpson kek.

    infamousta,

    And those folks wouldn’t be commenting at all if he wasn’t paraded around like some “get away with murder” mascot. It was a massive and heinous childhood fuckup and he’s giving speeches at colleges now like he’s something one should aspire to be. Technicalities of the trial are not the real problem people have.

    Samueru,

    Bro all this crap started since day one, nothing is new here, all the parade and everything happened afterwards.

    I think this is some russian bot propaganda thing, because it can’t be that the same lies from day one are still being repeated over and over, including the one that kyle shot black people.

    0_o,

    To be fair I was under the assumption that he wasn’t intending to capitalize on this situation at all, he did surrender the firearm used and requested it to be destroyed after the proceedings concluded so that it wouldn’t be sold-off and used as some sort of political symbol… It saddens me to learn that he is using such a tragedy to push any form of message other than a anti-firearm cautionary tale.

    infamousta,

    Yeah so I don’t think he went and killed some folks to get famous, I think he happened to kill some folks and got famous. And he’s malaligned, certainly a dumb kid like most of us were.

    My criticism of Kyle is more around conservative folks who want to lean into that dumb kid fuck up like it’s something aspirational.

    I think absolutely if you want to hold it up as a triumph of the justice system I’m with you. But as an example of a good human not so much.

    ArcaneSlime,

    Naw can’t watch the trial, then you’d find out that Rosenbaum had an encounter earlier in the night at a gas station with a guy dressed like Kyle (but +plate carrier) who put out Rosenbaum’s dumpster fire (the infanous “Shoot me n-word” video where Rosenbaum gets a pass to say “it.”) Then a little while later the drone video where Rosenbaum, still starting fires, crouches behind a car while Kyle walks past, steps out supposedly saying he was going to kill Kyle, and chases him/throws the bag, corners him, someone fires a shot from the crowd (likely Ziminski) while Kyle gets trapped by cars, and turning around hearing a shot Rosenbaum grabs for the gun, so Kyle shoots him. Then he makes the phone call (IIRC to Dominick Black), hears “GET HIM” and he starts running, gets hit in the back of the head with a rock that takes him down, he rolls over as jump kick man gets a hit, points it but doesn’t fire as dude was already retreating, Huber hits him with the skateboard and attempts again to take his rifle, shoots Huber, and the other guy who just surrenders, then Gage’s fake surrender (war crimes much?) then Gage takes one in the bicep, then Kyle gets up and continues running towards police.

    You’d also find out that not only was all that justified, he never “crossed state lines with the gun” as the gun lived in Kenosha at Dominick’s house, and he could in fact legally possess the rifle at 17 due to local laws. Furthermore he worked in Kenosha and his dad lived there. While he did travel from his mom’s in Antioch 20mi away, Huber came from Silver Lake also 20mi away, and Gage came from 46mi away.

    That wouldn’t be good, can’t learn the actual facts of the case, just gotta hang your hat on “he shouldn’t have been there.”

    LeroyJenkins,

    I will never name my kid Kyle

    RIPandTERROR,
    @RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works avatar

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/9432f753-b849-4934-ae2f-de7e1a0cd784.gif

    Eric approved

    squid_slime,
    @squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

    since coming across this post i watched the footage. alot of nuance less so in the comments here. i dislike Kyle Rittenhouse hardheartedly, he went to the protest with an intention that was politically motivated. as to the people that wanted to cause harm to the little shit, its understandable but also gives these movements a bad name and fuel for media to condemn BLM, antifa, IRA, these were all movements to push against class divide.

    people should also listen to the podcast alphabet boys or understand that government meddling like FBI employing x-cons as undercover blm members has lead to the vilance displayed in new media.

    magnolia_mayhem,

    Thank you. People seem to love pretending like reality is a team sport, which is stupid. I also find it infuriating that I can’t just find the raw videos instead of the first 800 results being edited and talked over commentaries from people trying to make a buck.

    squid_slime, (edited )
    @squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

    its crazy considering there freely available information but people will parrot what they hear from head lines. downvote or upvote furthering the bias

    ZILtoid1991,

    You could say, he got murdered!

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