sundogplanets,
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talks are about to start! I'm sitting next to a biologist who studies the effects of light pollution on sea turtles in Australia, and another who studies the effects on mammals in the western US. This is so cool!

sundogplanets,
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N. Schulte-Romer: a lot of urban lighting motivated by fear - humans are scared of the dark! There's also an element of control: lighting allows surveillance

She encourages everyone to ask who needs lighting and why? Think beyond your own cultural group beyond your own species.

Her guidelines:
-slow down
-accept 'uncommons': 'safe' isn't the same for everyone
-ask 'who will be safe?' think beyond humans

LED replacements offer window of opportunity for change

sundogplanets,
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Lan Yu: New York City put a bunch of money into replacing streetlights with LEDs with the goal of reducing energy usage. Used special ground-based cameras+machine learning to measure where LEDs have been added and how that has changed NYC's spectrum - it's now dominated by LEDs rather than high-pressure sodium lights

jgkoomey,
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@sundogplanets Any idea whether LED lighting is easier or harder to filter out than HPS?

sundogplanets,
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@jgkoomey I think it depends on the LED? (I am not an expert on this) Some LEDs I believe have a pretty broad spectrum, some are very narrow. I think.

ShadSterling,

@sundogplanets @jgkoomey AIUI the actual LEDs are narrow, but many LED bulbs have a coating similar to fluorescents that expand that to a similarly broad spectrum

sundogplanets,
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K. Walczak: Adler planetarium doing lots of light pollution work now. Project: using all-sky images to try to identify sources of light pollution in an "urban dark sky" area near Chicago

"In Calgary, you have 16 hours of darkness in the winter. In Chicago, we have zero"

Set up 10 moveable all-sky cameras for triangulation - able to confirm this for a rural site. Comparing urban site with satellite data is surprising to see what is bright and what's not - good targets for outreach

sundogplanets,
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Oooo apparently these all sky cameras are only ~$200! Working on developing a version for sale for researchers (I want!!)

simonbp,

@sundogplanets Using an rpi or similar to drive it?

sundogplanets,
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@simonbp I don't know enough about these cameras to even answer that question, sorry!

sundogplanets,
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B. Portnov: hormone-dependent cancers and obesity on the rise worldwide. Is it related to light pollution? (Or something else, like vitamin D?) Tries to take out food consumption, sun exposure, other factors across many countries [sounds hard!]

Melatonin production and estrogen production are linked, so light pollution affects both.

Finds artificial light exposure is significant contributor to some cancers and obesity (though not as significant as some other factors), w/ caveats

lomanfeusagach,
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@sundogplanets that is super interesting.

sundogplanets,
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@skyglowberlin is presenting on imaging from an airplane with a big camera of Cologne to measure light pollution in green, red, near-IR, and UV

Brightest things: sawmill, transportation, restaurants. Pinpoints a few UV bright metal halide lamps (some on cathedral). Stadium is super bright NIR source - growing grass! Hotels are very bright in NIR and UV: advertising?

sundogplanets,
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N. Gabinet: Our sleep environment has changed dramatically in last couple hundred years: noise, air pollution, artificial light.

Study of people sleeping looked at noise and light exposure and how that affects sleep, using simple smartphone apps

Artificial light exposure before bed reduces sleep by 10%, exposure to light while asleep made no difference (but noise while asleep reduced sleep by 15%)

Light+noise together decrease sleep even more.

sundogplanets,
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M. Okuliarova: there are a lot of metabolic processes in us that are synchronized by exposure to light-dark cycle. Used rats, gave them just dim artifical light with no changes. Biggest change: higher cholesterol [lots of small changes in biological abbreviations with alphas in them... not sure what those are] Some stuff about liver function changing and more sugar consumption? [This is very much a talk for biologists...]

sundogplanets,
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E. Schernhammer: A previous study of women nurses showed artificial light exposure caused significantly (14%) higher rates of breast cancer - this is related to melatonin and estrogen.

Artificial light is now considered a "probable carcinogen" [whoa I did not know that]

Previous studies have also shown night shifts increase cancer risk - this is probably artificial light causing something called "oxidative stress". Found prostate cancer risk in men, not just women have this risk

sundogplanets,
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This latest study uses the "Finnish twin cohort" - longest running twin cohort study. Thousands of women were part of this cohort and answered questionnaire.

Study analysed connection between night shift work and breast cancer. Women who worked nights had a 58% higher breast cancer rate.

noodlemaz,
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@sundogplanets what's the absolute increase? Relative can be v misleading (ie 0.5% to 0.75% is also a 50% increase... )

sundogplanets,
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noodlemaz,
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@sundogplanets thanks! Small numbers, definitely needs lots more similar work. Interesting (and wouldn't surprise me if the hypothesis holds, we know night shifts are bad news for health in various ways) but the numbers probably shouldn't be too much cause for alarm

sundogplanets,
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@noodlemaz I mean, I think everyone knows that night shifts are not great for your health. It's pretty interesting to see such a specific result of that (I'm not a biologist, just interested)

noodlemaz,
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@sundogplanets yep, just saying it's important not to over-egg the results - there are so many factors to cancer, and the shift work patterns are unlikely to be the only things differing there - plus the small numbers. Larger studies might show an even smaller or insignificant effect. One to keep an eye on!

sundogplanets,
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C. Vilbrandt: Helped organize "Gather around the light" events to raise awareness of light pollution, particularly aimed at Berlin's lighting designer community (apparently a lot of lighting designers are based in Berlin). Points out that most lighting around the world (95%) is not put together by lighting experts, need to think about life cycle of lighting products.

Website here (mostly in German): https://gather-around-light.net/

sundogplanets,
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A. Jechow: Light pollution has a huge impact on whole ecosystems and on individual animals. Animals are out in all seasons, all weather - how do clouds affect/amplify artificial light (can be 1000x brighter). But how much do clouds darken a natural sky?

Using hemispherical cameras to measure sky in dark and polluted places. Dark site in Namibia went from 21.6 mag/arcsec^2 to 24.9 with clouds (beautiful sky movie!)

sundogplanets,
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B. Espey: how to accurately measure light pollution. Notes that 90-99 degree light emission is the part that causes the worst skyglow/light pollution.

Notes that cities have overall orientations for their streets (ex: https://geoffboeing.com/2018/07/city-street-orientations-world/), so light pollution will be directional - worse in some directions than others

Focusing on towns in Ireland, notes small towns often have bigger effect due to wide streets, low buildings. Lots of modelling details.

sundogplanets,
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Modelling tall buildings is a lot harder - angles and windows are really important! Has a working light pollution model pretty well working now, can be used as input for radiative transfer models

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/13/19/3827

sundogplanets,
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A. Paredes-Jackson: looking at Greater Big Bend and Central Texas dark sky preserves. Towns are Dark Sky communities: https://darksky.org/dark-sky-place-type/international-dark-sky-community/

Saw an increase in light in majority of places, but saw some decreases (I guess overall there are no decreases, only increases in Texas, so the dark sky status is definitely helping)

simonbp,

@sundogplanets That's a really interesting area, as there's a lot of shale oil/gas extra

sundogplanets,
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@simonbp yeah, she measured huge variations in sky brightness in some places, probably because of oil/gas flaring

meganisalanis,
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@sundogplanets

Those cancer connections should not be ignored.

I have noticed a shift in our small city (Palmerston North, New Zealand) we mostly have LED street lights so it appears that there are no lights until you are almost directly under one. Not sure if that is what they are meant to do?
Fascinating topic and I can tell you are fascinated with it 🙂

sundogplanets,
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S. Morrell: How do you find out how animals respond to different lighting environment? First need to measure or model - does looootttsss of careful modelling, based on real city data. Now can change the lightning in the model to see what happens.

Next try to "walk" through simulations, where can animals go without getting into super bright parts. Sodium is better than LED for leaving dark paths, but overall worse for light pollution. Adding a dark corridor doesn't help that much.

sundogplanets,
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Emphasize that you need to look at whole light environment, can't just take out one lamp and think it's ok.

Next steps, measure bats and hedgehogs(!!! I want to measure hedgehogs!!!) and how they respond to these real lighting environments. Also improving model to include foliage and scale it up.

gnomon,
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@sundogplanets psst @doot 👀↑↑ HEDGEHOG MEASURING

johngbell95,

@sundogplanets @salvabara I remember when I lived in Greater London, after snowfall, it was amazingly bright, with the streetlights being reflected between the low stratus clouds and the snow.

WTL,
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@sundogplanets This is absolutely fascinating. …and concerning.

sundogplanets,
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@WTL Yeah! That's terrifyingly high

WTL,
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@sundogplanets I’m very curious about the mechanism behind this. Differences between incandescent, fluorescent, LED, etc…

sundogplanets,
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@WTL Full paper here (I haven't read it, but maybe you want to?): https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-023-00983-9

WTL,
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@sundogplanets Oh thanks! <adds to to-be-read pile>

ChateauErin,
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@sundogplanets I think I've seen a study in the past couple years claiming that less exposure to bright sunlight is correlated with nearsightedness.

Biology! it's amazing anything is alive at all

epistatacadam,
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@sundogplanets I still can't work out why all street lights have to be on all night. After about midnight in most areas the only people walking are up to no good, and those driving have lights. So switching them off after 12:30 would save electricity and costs...

JohnShirley2023,

@sundogplanets There are a lot of pollutants that create hormone mimicking chemicals...endocrine disruptors...which may be involved: https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/agents/endocrine/index.cfm

cgbassa,

@sundogplanets Just a heads up that these all sky cameras are easy to build yourself. See https://www.instructables.com/Wireless-All-Sky-Camera/ and https://github.com/thomasjacquin/allsky for a solution using Raspberry Pi's and their cameras.

rstein,
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@sundogplanets Did you know that East and West Berlin were distinctly different in light colour, even visible from space? East yellow, West whitish. It Fades, because of LEDs.

TonyHill,

@sundogplanets "think beyond humans" - the crux of so many things that go wrong in the modern (capitalistic, but not only) world.

admin,

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are you jewish?
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