mattsheffield, (edited )
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Americans claiming to be dissatisfied leftists who aren't making ranked choice voting their first priority are actually working for fascism. Even if they can't perceive it.

If you want a further-left alternative to the Democrats, ranked choice voting is the only way it happens. Any other mode of campaign helps the far right, especially in swing states.

mattsheffield, (edited )
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Hopeless leftist third-party candidates are now a frequently used tool by Republicans to divide and conquer.

They have now been documented to be directly funding many leftist candidates (some of them who don't even want to hold office) to get progressive Americans to throw away their votes on candidates who can't win.

I wrote a very long article showing how Republicans do this with Green candidates and others, including Kanye West in 2020: https://flux.community/matthew-sheffield/2022/06/election-fraud-is-real-and-its-republicans-who-are-doing-it/

cshentrup,
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cshentrup,
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@mattsheffield it's actually one of the worst alternative voting methods. score voting, approval voting, star voting and pretty much every other ranked method is better.

https://www.electionscience.org/library/approval-voting-versus-irv/

paintchips,

@mattsheffield Yes in principle! But let's get the alternative voting method right! Approval voting. Not IRV, not ranked. Keep it simple.

guiltmanager,
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@mattsheffield whats rank choice voting, basically voting for the most likely candidate to beat fascism? a bit like the saying I saw, when you vote you arent voting for a life partner, you're getting on a bus, it doesnt always get you exactly where you want to go but gets you some of the way.

mattsheffield,
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@guiltmanager You could say that. Basically, ranked choice voting allows people to register their preferences in descending order. That helps independent progressive candidates who don't have huge amounts of money gain more power and notoriety because the larger center-left candidates must give them concessions to gain important endorsements.

guiltmanager,
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@mattsheffield ah ok! sounds good, so basically "if you promise to do X, I will endorse you" which will give the centre left candidate more votes because peoples preferred candidate endorses them. a good idea providing the candidates keep their promises when they get into office!

mattsheffield,
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@guiltmanager Yes exactly. And endorsements under such systems actually are impactful, unlike in a "first past the post" system where minor-party candidates are usually shunted to the sidelines.

guiltmanager,
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@mattsheffield hate first past the post, we have that here in the uk

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    @Kokirimuscle Yes, they don't want it, especially the Republicans. They have been raging against it after ranked choice voting helped elect a progressive in Alaska and led to the defeat of Sarah Palin.

    Reactionaries would much rather leftists throw away their votes and then drop out of voting entirely.

    cshentrup,
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    @mattsheffield @Kokirimuscle That was a spoiler effect. Palin split the vote with begich, who was the true majority winner preferred by a majority both to Palin and Peltola.

    cshentrup,
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    @Kokirimuscle @mattsheffield it does almost nothing actually. You need approval voting to really change things.

    https://www.electionscience.org/library/approval-voting-versus-irv/

    Kokirimuscle,
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    cshentrup,
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    cshentrup,
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    @Kokirimuscle @mattsheffield here, a Princeton math PhD who is arguably the world's foremost expert on the topic, shows how fairvote could not even get basic addition right.

    https://www.rangevoting.org/RichieOnApproval

    mattsheffield,
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    @cshentrup @Kokirimuscle I would be fine with ANY multi-candidate voting system over first-past-the-post, which has been proven to be absolutely terrible.

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