RickiTarr,
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Popular Self Help Books are:

50% Common Knowledge Advice That Everyone Already Knows

40% Personal Anecdotes That Are Basically Useless

10% Absolute Lunacy

TessRants,
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@RickiTarr
"If you're looking for self help, why would you go to somebody else? That's not self help. That's help!"

  • George Carlin
thefathippy,
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@RickiTarr

And woo. They're so often mixed with good old fashioned woo

jhavok,
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@RickiTarr 48 Laws of Power seems to be 100% lunacy. Very popular with tall, athletic 20-somethings.

michelestrider,
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@RickiTarr Are you trying to tempt me into writing a self-help book?!?!?!?

RickiTarr,
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michelestrider,
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@RickiTarr If I do, it will be deeply ironic and stupid

RickiTarr,
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@michelestrider Even better

SophiaFree,

@RickiTarr If you would connect your braincells with the braincells of another person, you would realise, that everyone secretly wants to be loved the same way, you do. 😩 Current science says, that a special part of the human heart will change into peace modus, if you mirror peace to another persons brain cells neutron. This is especially true for women. - See? I could do it. 😉

RickiTarr,
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@SophiaFree It's almost too easy

MBNashTN,
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@RickiTarr
Then there are the “How to Succeed in Businesses” books by sports coaches who only win about 60% of the time.

IcooIey,
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@RickiTarr fascinated that I completely missed this Secret book. Never heard of it.

RickiTarr,
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@IcooIey It's just like Think positive thoughts and put your dreams into the Universe and it will come true, which on It's face sounds pretty innocuous. But they were telling people stuff like illness was just in their heads, so people were stopping cancer treatments and stuff like that.

ferricoxide,

@RickiTarr @IcooIey

Sounds like an experiment in Darwinism.

IcooIey,
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@RickiTarr You know, I really do think that the best buffer against this woowoo nonsense is having caring relationships with people not afraid to support you in tough times, and tell you that yes, sometimes life is unfair and sucks. Together we will go on, bumbling our way through it, trying to make things better. That’s it. That’s all there is.

RickiTarr,
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@IcooIey That's a really good point, so many people lack an emotional support network!

LikeItOrLumpIt,
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@RickiTarr

At first I thought you were describing my JustMyToots 😘

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onnob,
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@RickiTarr @idoubtit all served with a royal dash of cherrypicking in credible looking research

RickiTarr,
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@onnob @idoubtit Lots of them have no research at all lol, but YEP

onnob,
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@RickiTarr @idoubtit Yeah, it is terrible. I recently listened to all episodes of ‘If Books could Kill’, and that did it. Now I’m suspicious of any book that claims to tell some truth or ancient wisdom. :)

Gustodon,
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@RickiTarr Self-help books only work for the author.

RickiTarr,
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@Gustodon Because they got rich selling a book off it lol

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@RickiTarr 🎯

183231bcb,

@Gustodon @RickiTarr They also work for the publisher.

Gustodon,
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@183231bcb @RickiTarr The larger point I was trying to make is that if you want an effective self-help book, you should write it yourself.

MayInToronto,
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@RickiTarr I HATE when authors spend 80% of the book convincing you they know what they're talking about. Bruh, I am already reading your book. Stop trying to sell this same book to me.

Eddietg42,
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@RickiTarr the ugly part is discovering stuff about the gurus who push it.

RickiTarr,
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@Eddietg42 Omg streaming media has literally made a mint off of it.

GGMcBG,
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@RickiTarr

I've always assumed self-help books were written by people who helped one friend decide on something ridiculous, like which new berry to incorporate into their morning toast regimen. And it went so smoothly they convinced themselves they could change the world next, one sticky jam at a time.

And publishers know people buy any-goddamn-thing with promises of promises.

RickiTarr,
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@GGMcBG I feel like most of them are like, Have you tried not doing your destructive habits?

Instead of getting a vodka soda, try a seltzer with lime lol

GGMcBG,
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@RickiTarr

I will say that anything that helps a person feel better and live in themselves better, I don't mean to shit on.

I have a seriously hard time with the concept of religion, and all of these ways of honest healing for profit tend to upset me.

Granted, I've never read one, flipped through only to deride what was inside.
Though there seems like a healthy amount of rewriting of the 12 steps in any given one.

RickiTarr,
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@GGMcBG I agree, my main issue with these kinds of books about mental health and success is that they rarely address the actual issues, and oversimplify serious problems like long term clinical depression or privilege.

GGMcBG,
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@RickiTarr

That's certainly a problem if the book is written as an answer, since it can't know what problems it's going to be applied to address.

RickiTarr,
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Unless we are talking about The Secret and it's 90% Lunacy

Chigaze,
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@RickiTarr Only 90%?... What's the part that's not lunacy?

RickiTarr,
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@Chigaze LOL A little positive thinking is probably a good idea, but it's not gonna fix your life, get you a better job, or cure cancer.

stephanie,
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@RickiTarr @Chigaze I was working in a bookstore when The Secret came out. Sooooo many sales. So many cubes filled with copies. It was insane.

I never saw that happen again until Twilight lol

RickiTarr,
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@stephanie @Chigaze I legitimately wonder why it was that popular, it wasn't even presenting any information that wasn't already out there.

elverkonge,
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@RickiTarr @stephanie @Chigaze I think it's easy to sell powerless people on the idea that they have some control. It's at the root of a lot of things, like certain eating disorders, and I think just the existence of OCD* points to our brains having a predilection for taking or needing control.

  • Apologies if this is outdated terminology.
stephanie,
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@RickiTarr They were targeting the exact right population: older women and moms
@Chigaze

RickiTarr,
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@stephanie @Chigaze And a new breed of crypto tech bros lol

Chigaze,
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@RickiTarr @stephanie With The Secret I think a lot would be people's desire for easy solutions that don't take a lot of work. I would guess reading it made them feel better despite it not actually working.

adx,
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@RickiTarr @stephanie @Chigaze Wasn’t it an Oprah book?

RickiTarr,
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@adx @stephanie @Chigaze Most likely

dan613,
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@stephanie @RickiTarr @Chigaze It should have been sold in the same section.

Chigaze,
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@dan613 @stephanie @RickiTarr "Bad Fiction”?

stephanie,
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@Chigaze I feel bad about recommending Twilight so much while I worked there... I was the in the targeted readership and really liked it when it came out 😆
@dan613 @RickiTarr

Chigaze,
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@stephanie @dan613 @RickiTarr That's fair. I mostly tease about Twilight. It had it's demographic and lots of people enjoyed it. Interestingly my kids were in that demographic but never took to it. They didn't really like Hunger Games either.

stephanie,
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@Chigaze I'm always up for series and books that encourage people to read more! We had a lot of teenagers come back to get other similar books after, or francophone kids getting the English version of the latest book in the series, not yet translated :)
(Like I did with Harry Potter at their age; which also has problems)

Hunger Games though.. Read the first one in one night (... I don't think I slept haha)
@dan613 @RickiTarr

Vincarsi,
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@RickiTarr @Chigaze That's the crux of these grifts; they take a grain of truth then make promises that little factoid can't possibly fulfill.
It's true that we tend to notice what we're expecting, so if we expect condemnation, we'll notice when people condemn, and if we expect opportunity, we'll be more prepared to grab one when it comes by. That's just basic confirmation bias though and no you cannot actually make opportunities 'manifest' if there are none available to you at all.

CuriousMagpie,
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@Chigaze @RickiTarr The 10% correct is spelling, pagination, and layout.

RevXenoFact,
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@RickiTarr you're being kind.

RickiTarr,
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@RevXenoFact Fair lol

RevXenoFact,
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@RickiTarr it's honestly a kind of grotesque phenomenon. The victim and self blaming elements...

RickiTarr,
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@RevXenoFact If it doesn't work for you, you're doing it wrong

Jackiemauro,
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@RickiTarr @RevXenoFact Some parts of aging are so wonderful. Like fully coming to terms with the fact that if someone says “it works for everyone if they do it right” means “it” is pure snake oil.

MishaVanMollusq,
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@RickiTarr i used to get paid for supporting the network of James Ray.
Everyone who worked there was a true believer.
My last onsite was the Thursday afternoon of the day before his final retreat ended in deaths

RickiTarr,
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@MishaVanMollusq HOLY SHIT

friscolala,
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@RickiTarr the documentary (!?!) was 1000% banana pants.

RickiTarr,
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@friscolala Oh there's a documentary?!

friscolala,
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maxleibman,
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@RickiTarr I was about to say, the lunacy percentage seemed way low.

ArnimRanthoron,
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@RickiTarr
So… searching for unpopular Self Help Books?

RickiTarr,
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@ArnimRanthoron Well, I have read a few books, that would count as maybe self help that did seem to have some real advice, but they are usually heavily prefaced by telling people to seek out a professional and they are usually way more dense reads and not easily digestible pop psychology.

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