atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

Oh man, with @potus joining the Fediverse, there’s been an outpouring of salt. 😆

gooba42,
@gooba42@mastodon.social avatar

@atomicpoet @potus I'm disappointed by how often the right answer is "spin up an instance for your organization" but the actual practice is "Further validate bad actors by using them instead".

@potus would have been a far superior solution to signing up to inherit a share of Facebook's bad reputation.

krafty,
@krafty@metalhead.club avatar

@atomicpoet I'm not a fan of threads or Meta, but it's good to see the president on other platforms. Hopefully he will get on Mastodon eventually.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

It doesn’t matter if your server blocks Threads. It doesn’t matter if you block Threads.

None of that changes the ultimate outcome – which is that the President of the USA has now joined the Fediverse.

Threads is not going away, and you can’t bully Joe Biden off the Fediverse.

chris,
@chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca avatar

@atomicpoet the question I want to put to the President is:

Why don't you have a @potus Fediverse account? Why is the POTUS limiting themself to the platforms created by others!?

Sh4d0w_H34rt,
@Sh4d0w_H34rt@mstdn.social avatar

@chris @atomicpoet because it's not about POTUS joining the Fediverse it's about having a presence on Meta's platform that just happens to be interoperable with the Fediverse.

samxavia,
@samxavia@lethallava.land avatar

@atomicpoet Yes threads are not going away, and it is annoying that half the Fediverse blocked it on the pure basis of it being to do with META. I hope that in time Threads shows their true hand and sees that they are just trying to get their slice of the Fediverse.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

@samxavia No, half of the Fediverse did not block Threads. A loud portion of it did, though. But just because someone’s loud doesn’t mean they persuaded most servers to block.

samxavia,
@samxavia@lethallava.land avatar

@atomicpoet Just glad some instances such as mine still has it open to follow people. Hopefully, they finish federating at some point.

6G,
@6G@mastodon.social avatar

@atomicpoet @samxavia

right, so many folks scream #meta bad #threads bad I have no idea how bad, it's just IMO, i dont want to subscribe to an #algorithm site

It seems that everytime I hear a mention of a #telegramchannel in a news story, it indirectly means, #telegram bad

IMO, Telegram is just a great email replacement for friends

samxavia,
@samxavia@lethallava.land avatar

@6G From what I have seen and heard it seems like not only is META not block trans misinformation & hatred on their platforms (not just threads) but they also seem to be still trying to collect a lot of data what is not the point of the Fediverse.

dogzilla,
@dogzilla@metrobus.masto.host avatar

@6G @paninid @atomicpoet @samxavia I love the Mastodon community, but there are some extremely vocal people who don’t quite grasp the concept of decentralization: they seem to want to control what everyone can see.

Don’t want to see Threads or BlueSky? Fine, block them. Do it at your account level, or at the server level if you’re an admin. But trying to block them from the Fediverse as a whole is just gross.

samxavia,
@samxavia@lethallava.land avatar

@dogzilla @6G @paninid @atomicpoet I agree, The reason I enjoy the fediverse is that I wouldn't be able to communicate with anyone I really feel I want to, If there's something I don't think should be here I could report to the admin if it's illegal / unwanted for majority of people but if it's more personal, I'll just block it myself.

Hopefully, one day I work out how to run my own Instance of Sharkey to run it the way I would.

paninid,
@paninid@mastodon.world avatar

@samxavia @dogzilla @6G @atomicpoet

I think it’s easier to declare defederation from Threads as a policy if you’re less exposed or aware of the toxic sewer system that is .

The stuff tolerated by Meta wouldn’t last very long on any given Mastodon instance.

And yet.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

@paninid @samxavia @dogzilla @6G It’s not true that stuff tolerated by Meta wouldn’t last long on any given Mastodon instance.

Just yesterday, I blocked several servers for hosting content that’s so terrible, it would never be allowable on Meta.

paninid,
@paninid@mastodon.world avatar

@atomicpoet @samxavia @dogzilla @6G

I think the Overton Window frame for “acceptable” is much wider for Meta platforms than the range of instances that are federated here.

That is my scientific wild-ass guess.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

@paninid @samxavia @dogzilla @6G And what I’m saying is that what is or is not “acceptable” can’t be applied to the broad Fediverse at all because it varies drastically depending on server.

You probably don’t see the worst of the Fediverse because mastodon.world blocks it. But then again, some servers block mastodon.world because they see it as the worst of the Fediverse – so take that for what it’s worth.

dogzilla,
@dogzilla@metrobus.masto.host avatar

@atomicpoet @paninid @samxavia @6G Exactly this is what brought me to Mastodon in the first place: every user and server is their own gatekeeper and you always have the option to run your own server however you want. Without this feature, why even join Mastodon or the Fediverse?

I can’t escape the feeling that folks calling for global bans on one thing or another have utterly missed the point.

argumento,
@argumento@hispagatos.space avatar

@atomicpoet

Small news.

Bigger news: the POTUS is facilitating genocide.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

@argumento That is truly tragic. Nevertheless, how are you going to get a better person elected?

Personally, I can’t get a better person elected. I’m not even an American citizen.

argumento,
@argumento@hispagatos.space avatar

@atomicpoet I think that's a very wrong way of addressing the issue. The Nazis didn't stop when the German people got a better person elected.

Referencing what happened in South Africa, we need to call out, boycott and sanction those responsible of crimes, until they are isolated and are forced to give way. Welcoming Biden doesn't do that.

I'm also not an American, but Mexican, BTW.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

@argumento Okay, wait. If Hitler was the better person elected, who was worse than him?

argumento,
@argumento@hispagatos.space avatar

@atomicpoet
I'm sorry if wasn't clear. I meant that the Nazis weren't defeated by the vote, but by violence. And I think the same about Netanyahu. Not to mean ONLY armed violence, civil resistance and protest, which include violent acts, as with the SA example, should happen first.

Biden needs to be isolated and called out.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

@argumento In no practical sense will Biden ever be isolated, and the USA is nothing like South Africa where sanctioning it will achieve any results.

You and I know that the USA has committed greater war crimes than arming Netanyahu, with worse Presidents, and that never once resulted in sanctioning and isolating the USA.

On the other hand, I would very much prefer that Trump doesn’t get re-elected because should he get elected, he will do much more damage than Biden.

argumento,
@argumento@hispagatos.space avatar

@atomicpoet

I really don't understand why you bring up Trump into the conversation.

If something hasn't happened until now, it doesn't mean it can happen.

I'd also challenge the idea that "the USA has committed greater crimes", there is no greater crime than genocide, and the USA's support for it has been very strong.

Failing to act against injustice is giving way to injustice. Normalizing that the USA does crimes does nothing to stop it.

ogalachowski,
@ogalachowski@mas.to avatar

@argumento @atomicpoet we supported genocide in Guatemala. https://hmh.org/library/research/genocide-in-guatemala-guide/ Regan compared Efraín Ríos Montt to American founding fathers in a sick way he right to make that comparison he just didn’t realize how.

argumento,
@argumento@hispagatos.space avatar

@ogalachowski @atomicpoet

The USA also enacted a genocide of the different Native American nations, but that would be a crime equally bad, not greater.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

@argumento @ogalachowski I’d say building 1,000s of nuclear weapons that will destroy the whole world has the greater potential for being a war crime than arming Netanyahu.

This is all academic right now but won’t be if Trump decides to launch those weapons. And I have no doubt he would do it for frivolous reasons.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

@argumento I bring up Trump because the USA is a two party system that offers only two choices.

There’s Biden and then there’s Trump.

You talk about acting, but I don’t foresee any action that changes the outcome of either Biden or Trump getting elected.

And yes, the USA has committed greater crimes than arming Netanyahu. There was the invasion of Iraq, the carpet bombing of Cambodia, the direct genocide of indigenous peoples, on and on it goes…

I’m not normalizing what the USA does, it’s already normalized. But what I’d like is to not see a worse normal happen.

What actual tangible action will change whether Biden or Trump get elected?

msquebanh,
@msquebanh@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@atomicpoet @argumento You and others should be calling out Biden & pressuring DNC a lot more. Not doing more of that will definitely bring you round 2 of Trump.

argumento,
@argumento@hispagatos.space avatar

@msquebanh @atomicpoet
The Dems should have literally anybody else running.

msquebanh,
@msquebanh@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@argumento @atomicpoet When they lose, they have only themselves to blame.

atomicpoet,
@atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

@msquebanh @argumento Like you, I live in Canada so can’t pressure the DNC to do jack squat.

I nevertheless want Biden to be re-elected so we don’t get Round 2 of Trump.

msquebanh,
@msquebanh@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@atomicpoet @argumento I hate them both & I actually hope both die before election. I hate both, that much.

msquebanh,
@msquebanh@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

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  • MattFerrel,
    @MattFerrel@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

    @msquebanh
    Time to report and block. Bye

    atomicpoet,
    @atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

    @msquebanh @argumento Are you actually saying that you’d prefer Trump to be the President of the USA because you believe he’s less dangerous than Biden?

    msquebanh,
    @msquebanh@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

    @atomicpoet @argumento I think both are evil, dangerous & I would cheer if they both died.

    msquebanh,
    @msquebanh@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

    @atomicpoet @argumento No - I'm saying a lot more pressure needs to be put on Biden to stop funding Israel. Not increasing the pressure to do the right thing is what will cost Biden election.

    atomicpoet,
    @atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org avatar

    @msquebanh @argumento I agree that more pressure needs to be put on Biden. I don’t think pressure will work on Trump.

    msquebanh,
    @msquebanh@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

    @atomicpoet @argumento That is exactly what I was trying to communicate. Trump isn't someone who cares about any public pressures - he's a full out fascist narcissist.

    Biden can be pressured into doing the right thing. I may hate him but he tends to eventually make better decisions when public pressure increases.

    hobs,
    @hobs@mstdn.social avatar

    @msquebanh
    He does care about money. He panicked about making bail. We could target his billionaire backers and he might pay attention to their pressure. They didn't pay for influence if they didn't think their influence would pay off.
    @atomicpoet @argumento

    msquebanh,
    @msquebanh@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

    @hobs @atomicpoet @argumento I support trying to do that but you'll need to round up thousands for it to be anywhere close to successful.
    We already have millions who support freedom for Palestine so the numbers are already there to push Biden, harder.

    msquebanh,
    @msquebanh@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

    @atomicpoet @argumento I regularly call up DNC politicians from Canada. To tell them they're doing a great job at making more of the global community hate, distrust & see US as a terrorist state. We can always take personal actions, no matter where we live in the world.

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