@atomicpoet@potus I'm disappointed by how often the right answer is "spin up an instance for your organization" but the actual practice is "Further validate bad actors by using them instead".
@potus would have been a far superior solution to signing up to inherit a share of Facebook's bad reputation.
@chris@atomicpoet because it's not about POTUS joining the Fediverse it's about having a presence on Meta's platform that just happens to be interoperable with the Fediverse.
@atomicpoet Yes threads are not going away, and it is annoying that half the Fediverse blocked it on the pure basis of it being to do with META. I hope that in time Threads shows their true hand and sees that they are just trying to get their slice of the Fediverse.
@samxavia No, half of the Fediverse did not block Threads. A loud portion of it did, though. But just because someone’s loud doesn’t mean they persuaded most servers to block.
@6G From what I have seen and heard it seems like not only is META not block trans misinformation & hatred on their platforms (not just threads) but they also seem to be still trying to collect a lot of data what is not the point of the Fediverse.
@6G@paninid@atomicpoet@samxavia I love the Mastodon community, but there are some extremely vocal people who don’t quite grasp the concept of decentralization: they seem to want to control what everyone can see.
Don’t want to see Threads or BlueSky? Fine, block them. Do it at your account level, or at the server level if you’re an admin. But trying to block them from the Fediverse as a whole is just gross.
@dogzilla@6G@paninid@atomicpoet I agree, The reason I enjoy the fediverse is that I wouldn't be able to communicate with anyone I really feel I want to, If there's something I don't think should be here I could report to the admin if it's illegal / unwanted for majority of people but if it's more personal, I'll just block it myself.
Hopefully, one day I work out how to run my own Instance of Sharkey to run it the way I would.
I think it’s easier to declare defederation from Threads as a policy if you’re less exposed or aware of the toxic sewer system that is #ContentModeration.
The stuff tolerated by Meta wouldn’t last very long on any given Mastodon instance.
@paninid@samxavia@dogzilla@6G And what I’m saying is that what is or is not “acceptable” can’t be applied to the broad Fediverse at all because it varies drastically depending on server.
You probably don’t see the worst of the Fediverse because mastodon.world blocks it. But then again, some servers block mastodon.world because they see it as the worst of the Fediverse – so take that for what it’s worth.
@atomicpoet@paninid@samxavia@6G Exactly this is what brought me to Mastodon in the first place: every user and server is their own gatekeeper and you always have the option to run your own server however you want. Without this feature, why even join Mastodon or the Fediverse?
I can’t escape the feeling that folks calling for global bans on one thing or another have utterly missed the point.
@atomicpoet I think that's a very wrong way of addressing the issue. The Nazis didn't stop when the German people got a better person elected.
Referencing what happened in South Africa, we need to call out, boycott and sanction those responsible of crimes, until they are isolated and are forced to give way. Welcoming Biden doesn't do that.
@atomicpoet
I'm sorry if wasn't clear. I meant that the Nazis weren't defeated by the vote, but by violence. And I think the same about Netanyahu. Not to mean ONLY armed violence, civil resistance and protest, which include violent acts, as with the SA example, should happen first.
@argumento In no practical sense will Biden ever be isolated, and the USA is nothing like South Africa where sanctioning it will achieve any results.
You and I know that the USA has committed greater war crimes than arming Netanyahu, with worse Presidents, and that never once resulted in sanctioning and isolating the USA.
On the other hand, I would very much prefer that Trump doesn’t get re-elected because should he get elected, he will do much more damage than Biden.
I really don't understand why you bring up Trump into the conversation.
If something hasn't happened until now, it doesn't mean it can happen.
I'd also challenge the idea that "the USA has committed greater crimes", there is no greater crime than genocide, and the USA's support for it has been very strong.
Failing to act against injustice is giving way to injustice. Normalizing that the USA does crimes does nothing to stop it.
@argumento@ogalachowski I’d say building 1,000s of nuclear weapons that will destroy the whole world has the greater potential for being a war crime than arming Netanyahu.
This is all academic right now but won’t be if Trump decides to launch those weapons. And I have no doubt he would do it for frivolous reasons.
@argumento I bring up Trump because the USA is a two party system that offers only two choices.
There’s Biden and then there’s Trump.
You talk about acting, but I don’t foresee any action that changes the outcome of either Biden or Trump getting elected.
And yes, the USA has committed greater crimes than arming Netanyahu. There was the invasion of Iraq, the carpet bombing of Cambodia, the direct genocide of indigenous peoples, on and on it goes…
I’m not normalizing what the USA does, it’s already normalized. But what I’d like is to not see a worse normal happen.
What actual tangible action will change whether Biden or Trump get elected?
@atomicpoet@argumento You and others should be calling out Biden & pressuring DNC a lot more. Not doing more of that will definitely bring you round 2 of Trump.
@msquebanh@argumento Are you actually saying that you’d prefer Trump to be the President of the USA because you believe he’s less dangerous than Biden?
@atomicpoet@argumento No - I'm saying a lot more pressure needs to be put on Biden to stop funding Israel. Not increasing the pressure to do the right thing is what will cost Biden election.
@atomicpoet@argumento That is exactly what I was trying to communicate. Trump isn't someone who cares about any public pressures - he's a full out fascist narcissist.
Biden can be pressured into doing the right thing. I may hate him but he tends to eventually make better decisions when public pressure increases.
@msquebanh
He does care about money. He panicked about making bail. We could target his billionaire backers and he might pay attention to their pressure. They didn't pay for influence if they didn't think their influence would pay off. @atomicpoet@argumento
@hobs@atomicpoet@argumento I support trying to do that but you'll need to round up thousands for it to be anywhere close to successful.
We already have millions who support freedom for Palestine so the numbers are already there to push Biden, harder.
@atomicpoet@argumento I regularly call up DNC politicians from Canada. To tell them they're doing a great job at making more of the global community hate, distrust & see US as a terrorist state. We can always take personal actions, no matter where we live in the world.
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