@inquiline
Gee, I thought it was "don't commit research misconduct, aka FFP (Fabrication, Falsification, Plagiarism)", plus today I suppose "don't use ChatGPT to write your papers for you!
@inquiline
But from what I have seen, it's not just "misplaced quotation marks". I see a good bit of plagiarism where it shouldn't be. Doesn't matter who the author is and it should not be about the person, but about the TEXT. If the paper is plagiarized, retract it. If a book is plagiarized, stop selling it. The university needs then to decide if they will sanction the person, not the court of public opinion.
@WiseWoman Yes, I agree that academic community members can sort this out amongst themselves, then
What I am objecting to is smear campaigns, which gain traction when the accused parties are members of social groups who are deemed less believable, less defendable, & hung out to dry. It's entirely naive to think these attacks are motivated by concerns about academic integrity.
*I'm not sure we can cleanly separate the "text" from the author in any case, but again that's not the motivation here
@inquiline
But a smear campaign does not work if there is no plagiarism to begin with. And with plagiarism it does not matter who is documenting the plagiarism. If you have a side-by-side, anyone who can read can sort out that they are (almost) the same.
Campaigns without offering proof are of course completely unwarrented and should be ignored.
@WiseWoman
I don't know how to put this any more plainly than to say your statement is an aspirational, not descriptively true way of describing the world.
There are ample examples on both sides, people who have crossed lines who are still in their positions; and people whose transgressions have been very small who were driven out, which have to do with social identity/social power.
And since I already said that once, and you're still arguing with me, this conversation should end, thanks
@WiseWoman@inquiline I'm not sure the best response to "racists targeting Black scholars" is to argue "But they deserved it."
It's the exact same reasoning as responding to white youth often avoiding drug charges while Black youth often go to prison for the exact same level of offenses by simply arguing "The Black youth shouldn't do drugs."
There is no difference between that reasoning and responding "But they shouldn't plagiarize."
Racially motivated attacks are racially motivated attacks.
Yes, I understand your point. White youth should not avoid prison if they are committing drug offences.
We have been having similar debates in Germany over public documentation of plagiarism. The press only reports on politicians, so there is a perception that politicians are targeted, when the vast majority are academics who have heavily plagiarized in their doctoral dissertations. Plagiarism has to stop, on all levels.
Racist attacks on Black scholars is not comparable to press focusing on politicians at all. There are MASSIVE differences between being targeted for belonging to a discriminated, minority group as opposed to scrutinizing literally the group in power.
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@WiseWoman@inquiline
Maybe it's missing the issue of race in America, but the problem is that Black and minority scholars are under far greater scrutiny than white scholars. And this greater scrutiny is a problem for Black and other minorities throughout their lives. Regardless of their career, they are often under greater scrutiny that white co-workers.
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@WiseWoman@inquiline
Even walking through a store, they are often watched as potential shoplifters far more than white people. This doesn't mean that we need to work harder to prevent shoplifting!
In fact, this reasoning that Black people deserve defending only if they achieve a level of perfection is exactly one of the kinds of problems MLK was writing about with his warning about white moderates.
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That reminds me, I've been feeling... something... recently, regarding having written a book called Hacking Diversity while attacks on DEI mount. If I lived in another state, it's quite possible this fact would be making life unpleasant
Antiracist workplace organizing with the goal of administrative abolition is the way forward for higher ed, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise
(I certainly have my own criticisms of DEI and in fact in the book argues that the language of "diversity" can obscure or water down the urgently-needed conversations. But that's a topic to be discussed in good faith, not with these assholes)
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