D_J_Nathanson,
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It’s !

When cops ask you questions, ask for a lawyer and then STFU:

  • I am not discussing how I’m doing or where I’m going.

  • Am I free to leave?🧵

  • I am not answering any questions.

  • If they ask to search anything: "I do not consent to a search."

  • I want to speak to a lawyer.

Cops are only REQUIRED to give you Miranda warnings if you are “in custody.” “Not free to go” is an oversimplification.

Remember you can always invoke your rights even when you aren’t in custody.🧵

Joey from the TV show Friends banging the kitchen table and yelling, "I WANNA GOOOOOOOOO"

D_J_Nathanson,
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Custody is supposed to mean that law enforcement officers have deprived a person of their freedom of action in any significant way. A person is in custody when a reasonable person in the person’s position would believe that he is in custody or is not free to leave. But when a bunch of old, white, ex-prosecutor judges apply this standard, it gets really dicey. /2

D_J_Nathanson,
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Here are examples mostly from Massachusetts law (not necessarily applicable elsewhere).

NOT IN CUSTODY

  • Roadside questioning after traffic stop (this one is SCOTUS, not MA)
  • Person brought to police station as potential witness (not suspect) not in custody until he made incriminating statements
  • Person injured in car accident restrained by EMTs for medical reasons while questioned by police
  • Without more, suspect detained during execution of legal search warrant not in custody (SCOTUS) /3
D_J_Nathanson,
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IN CUSTODY:

  • Juvenile aggressively questioned in his bedroom by cops who demanded that he agree with their “sympathetic” version of incident

  • Person handcuffed and held in police cruiser for "threshold inquiry" and asked what she was doing in the bushes next to a store that had just been robbed

  • Person showed up at police station after hearing co-defendant had implicated him

THESE THINGS ARE WAY TOO TRICKY TO NAVIGATE ON YOUR OWN.

STFU AND CALL A LAWYER!
/4

D_J_Nathanson,
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As with every post, I'm a lawyer in the USA. These comments are based on law in the USA. (And they apply to all people in the USA, whether or not they are citizens.) Some US states provide more protections than this. /END

Jackiemauro,
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@D_J_Nathanson what about if a cop comes and say knocks on your door asking if you’ve seen anything? Ok to talk to them or still wait for a lawyer?

argv_minus_one,
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@D_J_Nathanson

Some of us can't afford lawyers, you know.

Bam,
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@argv_minus_one @D_J_Nathanson

Indigent people that are being subject to custodial interrogation are entitled to counsel at the government’s expense (prior to charge, based on the Fifth Amendment).

argv_minus_one,
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@Bam

I was under the impression that that counsel is extremely overworked, spends less than five minutes with each defendant, and is in no way prepared to actually defend the defendant at an actual trial.

Also, if you're not indigent, you don't qualify for government-provided counsel, and legal fees will make you indigent. Then you win your case and lose your house.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. This is all very frightening to me, so I would very much like to be wrong.

@D_J_Nathanson

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Bam,
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@D_J_Nathanson @argv_minus_one is

As someone who worked for a long time on the other side of the v, I wholeheartedly endorse this. Those folks are dedicated and excellent lawyers with courtroom experience.

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