Would be nice if people could stop being pedos on fedi. Imagine opening my notifications to that shit, even when people are saying the weirdest shit, in a cafe. I am not expecting that but I guess I should now.
@sim tbh personally i dislike all the anime waifu shit. not sure if u are referring to that. i wouldnt equalize that to pedophilia (those people need mental help, like therapy or medically...) or child abusers (only partially related to pedophilia, most is just abuse of weaker/younger/powerless beings)
@grillchen I'm glad that you don't too. Makes me think it would be good to have showing reports as optional in notifications now. Also a privacy thing I need to consider. May be best to not be on fedi when I'm in public.
@arcana@grillchen@sun Not sure I can blame them when these people are taking advantage of them and may not understand what has been said. It has been an ongoing issue for years though.
@sim@grillchen@sun I do think part of it is cultural tbh, the maker of Misskey for example defended and claimed to be an enjoyer of questionable content
@sun@grillchen@sim I consider the content to be in the same category tbh, what the Misskey admin defended is legally defined the same in the UK and many other countries
@arcana@grillchen@sim that legal definition is stupid. drawings aren't the same as an actual child being abused even if both are immoral and disgusting.
@sun@grillchen@sim the way I see it, let’s say there is a drawing of two men having sex. That is gay porn regardless of the medium. Therefore, it follows that illegal porn remains illegal porn regardless of the medium.
If somebody gets off to drawings of gay men, they’re into gay porn. They like it because of the content not the medium. Same applies elsewhere. I’ve never seen somebody who “enjoys” the “artwork” not turn out to be into the actual thing.
@sun@grillchen@sim I’m not saying that they should be treated exactly the same but this angle seems to be “keep penalty as is for the real life stuff but decriminalise the other mediums” whereas I see it more a case of “keep penalty as it is for the other mediums and make it a capital offence for the real life stuff”
Specifically flaying is the penalty that should be set forth for the creation of such material
@grillchen@sim@sun a stay of execution for those who snitch of others involved with evidence to ensure it’s enforced too
Society takes a far too light stance on certain matters. In the UK, you go to prison for longer if you defend your property than you do if you’re a serial nonce
@arcana@grillchen@sim It is not even clear to me why other anglo countries are so against defending one's self.I get why they are against it I don't get why they are so extremely against it that a pensioner defending his life from a home invader is prosecuted.
@sun@arcana@sim as long as it is necessary to protect you or your property and your action is proportional it is completely legal here.
case were it was illegal: 5 teenager were breaking into a house. alarm goes off. they run away. home owner shoots someone running away and they drop dead.
even if the dude stole something shooting him wasnt proportional.
if someone is threatening you do what u need to do to stop the threat. shoot them, attack them, whatever til you are safe. once they are down u have to stop.
that said in case of confusion, fear or shock people might overreact and that is without punishment. you are not supposed to be calm and calculated in a dangerous unforseeable situation
@twinspin6@grillchen@sim@sun If they're on your property and clearly up to no good (people have a sense for this), then sure. Most people however would enquire as to why the person was on their property first and give them a chance to retreat.
@arcana@grillchen@sim@sun i would think it to be sensible to ask first, it's not like escaping someone with a firearm seems like a good choice for the invader
@sun@grillchen@twinspin6@sim Why hand over your control of this to the police? People should defend their own property themselves or with their own hired guards and staff if the property size merits it.
@twinspin6@grillchen@sim@sun It's not for free though, unless they're a volunteer militia, it's being funded via taxation. A small investigatory group after the fact may be necessary (though I still believe this doesn't need to be state provided), but police as an organized thing are unnecessary and expensive, and lead to an erosion of rights.
"Why do you need to defend yourself, the police are right there?"
@arcana@twinspin6@sim@sun kinda sounds like the right of the strongest instead of a working society. how to defend yourself when ur disabled and not rich enough to hire someone?
@grillchen@twinspin6@sim@sun Then people can earn prestige for themselves and good reputation by protecting you as was often the case in historical societies. The same societal standards that had alms and hospitality as very common concepts and the duties of lords. For the lord of a land, if people were being picked off or harmed in their lands, that reflected very poorly on them and their reputation and so they'd often use their personal retinue to deal with the situation.
Much like how during the Great Fire of London, many foreigners who were otherwise left abandoned or even blamed by the common folk of London were protected by and aided by the King's own Lifeguards, and his brother's Lifeguards
@grillchen@twinspin6@sim@sun It was realistic and worked quite well for millennia. Also, I think the problem here in a way is considering it "rich people".
I think this brings to mind billionaires holding shares and upper middle class business moguls running things. I think there's a world of difference between them and what lords and nobles were.
For the former, their personal wealth is not necessarily tied to how well the society does, nor are they motivated by legacy in the same way. The latter however very much are incentivized to see their lands thrive and be prosperous and pleasant as it directly affects them. If they just up and leave, they have nothing because it's a society and land that represents their worth.
Also the French Revolution is extremely misunderstood and there's a reason that Napoleon was so popular when he restored the institutions of a monarchy. It's an incredibly long topic, but it's been extremely heavily propagandized. The French Revolution, far from being the common folk rising up, was actually an upper middle class attempt to enrich themselves. King Louis XVI was not rich compared to his enemies in terms of actual liquid resources. He was "rich" insofar as France was rich.
@arcana@sim@sun context matters i think. shooting children trying to get their frisbee back or someone who wants to ring on your door might be very excessive
@grillchen@sim@sun People always go to those things. It's obviously contextual and in those contexts people don't just gun people down and didn't historically when such principles were common place.
@arcana@sim@sun i think we can all agree self defence is important.
btw german law had an interesting case:
woman was walking her dog. who didnt like the dog came to her and shot the dog. woman took the gun and bashed the man dead.
while it wasnt technically self defence (the man just wanted to shoot the dog and after he did that he was not threatining any "property" of the woman or the woman herself) it was legal.
noone has to be able to deal with a situation like that and be calm and without violence. her emotional violent reaction was "proportional" to the stuff she just wittnessed. she isnt a danger to anyone. it is not like she plotted anything. there is no reason for society to be wary of her. she was ruled innocent
@grillchen@sim@sun >woman was walking her dog. who didnt like the dog came to her and shot the dog. woman took the gun and bashed the man dead.
The woman was in the right. He shot her dog and she should have a right to kill the man in retaliation. Ultimately though that seems like a dispute best left to the families to solve between themselves.
It's good that she was ruled innocent and I think her efforts are commendable. The man shouldn't have shot her dog.
@sun@arcana@grillchen The problem comes in whether there are child models involved in the art. Even with paintings. Artists have done some degenerate shit in the past, even if it just looks like a nudist painting.
@grillchen I'm trying to not be in work mode too, so that I can enjoy my time in the countryside. I don't know how successful this is. I also want to talk about good things but even the bad things like politics happens.
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