ZaneSelvans,
@ZaneSelvans@social.coop avatar

I need a more optimistic non-fiction interlude so I'm going to read Gregory Nemet's "How Solar Energy Became Cheap"

ZaneSelvans,
@ZaneSelvans@social.coop avatar

So far "How Solar Energy Became Cheap" and "Solar Power Finance Without the Jargon" by @solar_chase both kind of remind me of The Box, a history of how containerized shipping took over the world.

Solar PV and containerization have both been weirdly capitalist triumphs and investor catastrophes. Ultimately brutally competitive, low-margin industries littered with bankruptcies, even as they transform the world and enable other kinds of economic development.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Box_(Levinson_book)

ZaneSelvans,
@ZaneSelvans@social.coop avatar

I should put Rose George's Ninety Percent of Everything on my list:

https://www.rosegeorge.com/ninety-percent-of-everything

ZaneSelvans,
@ZaneSelvans@social.coop avatar

Has anybody made a world map where distance is proportional to the energy required to move a given mass of cargo between two points?

It's hard to get across to people just how energy efficient container and bulk carrier ships are. Energetically every port is kind of right next door to every other port, even if physically they're on opposite sides of the Pacific Ocean.

ZaneSelvans,
@ZaneSelvans@social.coop avatar

Globally averaged CO2 / tonne-km of cargo transported:

  • Sea & inland waterways: 6.5g
  • Rail: 16g
  • Road: 83g
  • Air: 511g

https://climate.mit.edu/explainers/freight-transportation

ZaneSelvans,
@ZaneSelvans@social.coop avatar

The emissions attributable to moving a laptop through each of these 3 travel segments are roughly equal:

Shipping it from Shenzhen to Los Angeles in a container.

Trucking it from the Port of Los Angeles to Denver, CO.

Driving a few miles to and from Best Buy to purchase it in person in a petroleum powered car.

ZaneSelvans,
@ZaneSelvans@social.coop avatar

Okay, doing the math it's even worse than I suggested above. Assuming the laptop + packaging weighs 3kg (0.003 ton)

Shenzen to LA in a shipping container is 11,600km at 6.5g/(ton*km) so 226g CO2.

LA to Denver is 1,600km at 83g/(ton*km) so 398g

10km round trip to Best Buy in an average car which emits 170g/km (attributing all emissions to the laptop's transportation) => 1700g!!

ZaneSelvans,
@ZaneSelvans@social.coop avatar

The catastrophe here in the last mile is due to the fact that with cargo transportation, the majority of the mass being moved is generally the cargo. But in cars, it's just a few %. Even if you do a massive Costco run and get 100kg of stuff, it's still only going to be like 5-10% of the mass of the vehicle.

In contrast, an Urban Arrow electric cargo bike weighs 50kg and can carry 250kg:

https://urbanarrow.com/business-bikes/cargo/

chaspinrad,
@chaspinrad@kolektiva.social avatar

@ZaneSelvans
here’s one way to look at that CO2 emissions math of transporting a 3 kg laptop from Shenzen to a person in Denver

shipping across the ocean = 1/10 transportation-related CO2 emissions

trucking 1/8 that distance < 1/5 transportation-related CO2 emissions

and driving to and from the store three miles away = 75% transportation-related CO2 emissions

luis_in_brief,
@luis_in_brief@social.coop avatar

@chaspinrad @ZaneSelvans similar math for food. If you’re driving an SUV to the grocery and then buying local for carbon reasons, you’re getting it all wrong.

ZaneSelvans,
@ZaneSelvans@social.coop avatar

@luis_in_brief @chaspinrad I've seen similarly disturbing calculations done for "local" produce at farmers markets. Growers from a pretty big area are often driving relatively cargo-inefficient trucks a couple hundred km every day to hit various different markets, and blowing up the energy/emissions intensity of the produce as a result.

luis_in_brief,
@luis_in_brief@social.coop avatar

@ZaneSelvans @chaspinrad yup. There often are other decent reasons to want to buy local food (big ag really does suck in a lot of ways!) but carbon intensity ain’t it!

herbert_tiemens,
@herbert_tiemens@mastodon.nl avatar

@luis_in_brief that's why I cycle to the local farm to buy their crops. @ZaneSelvans @chaspinrad

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • solar
  • Durango
  • DreamBathrooms
  • thenastyranch
  • magazineikmin
  • tacticalgear
  • khanakhh
  • Youngstown
  • mdbf
  • slotface
  • rosin
  • everett
  • ngwrru68w68
  • kavyap
  • InstantRegret
  • JUstTest
  • cubers
  • GTA5RPClips
  • cisconetworking
  • ethstaker
  • osvaldo12
  • modclub
  • normalnudes
  • provamag3
  • tester
  • anitta
  • Leos
  • megavids
  • lostlight
  • All magazines