Virkkunen,
Virkkunen avatar

I've posted this on another instance:

And there's NeoWin again with the Windows 12 clickbaits. This "leak" is just Windows 11 IoT Enterprise Subscription, and there's absolutely nothing nowhere that even mentions the number 12.

https://twitter.com/XenoPanther/status/1710027423981388161

gnzl,
@gnzl@nc.gnzl.cl avatar

Well it looks like they found some references to subscriptions in an INI file, but that doesn’t mean it will require a subscription. It would be insane to try to sell new PCs with a trial Windows 12 license that’ll eventually require a subscription. I can’t imagine Windows could ever switch to a subscription model without a “base” version that’s a one-time purchase, even if it’s just for new PCs.

Virkkunen,
Virkkunen avatar

The references to subscription were related to IoT Enterprise Subscription, which has nothing to do with the consumer facing OS that we all use. There's also no mention whatsoever of Windows 12 in this leak, or anything else coming from Microsoft, except for NeoWin's clickbait articles where they slap the 12 and make false claims without any basis, such as the one pcmag based this article on.

grimaferve,

Good thing they're doing this just as people are wondering what comes after Windows 10 is EOL /s.

nakal,
nakal avatar

It's very obvious to me that Microsoft wants to ditch on-prem Windows Workstations and even Servers. There is no Office after 2025 for Windows Server anymore. There is no Windows Server after 2022. There is only Windows 10 or 11 in Azure HCI for Enterprise users.

The strategy for Workstations is not yet clear to me, but all products around Windows turn into SaaS.

Learn to use Linux. It's the only way to have your hardware under your control. Fuck Office... get rid of this piece of shit of software now.

moon_matter,
moon_matter avatar

Learn to use Linux. It's the only way to have your hardware under your control. Fuck Office... get rid of this piece of shit of software now.

Users aren't really against using Linux, they don't even know what OS they are running. The problems are always:

  1. Having to install an OS. Very few people are comfortable with doing this and handling the driver issues that may arise.
  2. Running familiar software or software that has no alternative/workaround (e.g. games with anti-cheat)

I'm mostly in the second camp. I have some Linux machines, but games keep my main machine on Windows. But the first camp will definitely keep the majority from ever being able to switch.

nakal,
nakal avatar

I can understand that. And in the enterprise environment most users are not able to switch from Office and Outlook. Even if Outlook is not really very great and Office is something you almost never use in a way that LibreOffice is an adequate replacement.

TwilightVulpine,

This might actually get people to go to Linux or even just give up on PCs entirely. A lot of people just use their phones as general computing devices as it is.

I already hate Windows 11. If they try to push this on me it's over.

EvilMonkeySlayer,

For me it is gaming support and HDR. (I have a HTPC connected to my 4k HDR OLED TV)

From my understanding HDR support on Linux is still in its infancy. I own a Steamdeck and gaming support is getting really good with Proton.

TwilightVulpine,

Even gaming support isn't gonna make me pay a subscription fot Windows. Subscription for the basic OS that I already paid for is just unacceptable. At worst I'll just stay at an older version indefinitely or, you know, seek another way.

lemonflavoured,
lemonflavoured avatar

Depends how much the subscription is, tbh.

TwilightVulpine,

You have way more money to spare than me, then. I already got as many subscriptions as I can manage and I'm only looking cut some of them.

jeebus,
jeebus avatar

Valve saw the writing in the wall 10 years ago. Gaben was a big chief at Ms and knew what they would eventually do.

Phil_in_here,

Pirate earlier versions of learn Linux.

I guess either way I’m going to have to learn a lot more about computers

conciselyverbose,

Nope.

Nope Nope Nope.

Glad I've already basically managed to ditch that nonsense.

Excrubulent, (edited )
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

I’m almost glad it’ll force me to. I’ve had so many aborted attempts at linux if I couldn’t turn back I might finally be able to push through the pain points.

conciselyverbose,

My biggest one was games, and proton has come a long way to mitigating that.

At this point the limit is pretty much malware anticheat shit and I'm basically done with those games. I tried jumping through the hoops to play Madden, with a separate Windows install and everything, but it still didn't work, so I'm just done.

bitwise,

I made the switch to Manjaro in January, haven't needed Windows once for gaming.

Most difficulty I've had was with Cyberpunk 2077, but that's because GOG broke some shit on their end that requires a workaround hack to stub some phone-home code that checks what DLC you have or whatever.

For the most part, shit just works now.

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