Redsylum,

“We can’t track you using this browser. Please use one of the following that we have agreements with.”

Polar,

Get !affinity

renard_roux, (edited )

Unless you’re a professional and want stuff like being able to set the white point of an image. 8 years and counting, stopped holding my breath.

Also, I think it’s noteworthy that they touted “Pay once, free updates forever!”, and then they release Version 2 which requires a new license. Oh, and has a new price.

I paid $100 for Designer, Photo and Publisher in 2021. The “full package” of V2 now costs $220 (although 25% off with existing license). Still cheaper than 4 months of Adobe sub, but I can’t use it for anything when they won’t implement simple features like white point selection, which I need multiple times daily.

I think this comment from the forum link above speaks volumes as to why serious graphic designers need to steer clear:

Another two years down the line - I bought Photo v2 and still there’s no picker to set white and black. Affinity’s ethos (with Photo Publisher and Designer) is clearly to de-monopolise Adobe and take a market share from Photoshop Illustrator and InDesign but when professionals have to Google just about every single new task, it’s very frustrating. I get the impression Affinity designers have spent too much time in the world of Linux where manipulating software is the challenge and bending it to your will is the achievement. We ex-Photoshop users want developers who help us to create images and documents. The endless puzzle of how to do things with Affinity Photo doesn’t interest us.

There are still so many bugs in the UI - annoying little things like having to click twice to activate a dialog, or typing in a value only to have the first digit ignored. Most of the tool icons are meaningless, jpg compression is so poor, native file sizes are so big, why can’t I simply open a jpg edit it and close with a save? Why can’t I batch save images as WEBP? I cannot move from the Develop Persona to Edit without committing the changes - and yet I can hit Undo when back to Edit - it’s just clunky geeky sloppy stuff that smells of Linux.

We all hate Adobe and their monopolistic dictatorial empire, I think we all want to love Affinity but jeez it’s really not working out for me. I could never recommend this to any of my clients.

galaxi,

Yeah, it’s a bit hard when you’re dealing with industry standards. I’m provided CC through work so it’s not really my choice, but it sounds like Affinity still isn’t a 1:1 option. I’ve been interested in it so I’m glad to hear the other side of things. It’s easy to go FOSS for most personal things, but not as much when it comes to doing business.

TokyoMonsterTrucker, (edited )

This is seriously deserving of an antitrust investigation. An open web is essential.

*Edit: referring to Chrome and its derivatives, not Adobe. Alphabet/Google has been begging for antitrust action for years.

nakal,
nakal avatar

Adobe has already proved they don't understand web technologies when creating Flash.

min_fapper,

They didn’t create Flash. They bought a company called Macromedia who had created Flash.

MalReynolds,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

Proving they don’t understand web technologies…

realharo,

Flash was pretty significant in the web’s journey to where it is today. For things like online video, it was the least pain in the ass way, in a time when the alternative was crapware plug-ins like RealPlayer, QuickTime, or Windows Media Player.

YouTube probably wouldn’t have existed without Flash and FLV.

ffolkes,
@ffolkes@fanexus.com avatar

I remember when it was FutureSplash Animator, and my young mind was blown by the possibilities of animations in only a few kb.

https://fanexus.com/pictrs/image/cbf2905d-5c4f-4119-98da-fd0c939c6fe2.png

rckclmbr,

Wow I’ve been in tech a long time, but only knew it from Macromedia. Crazy

QHC,
QHC avatar

What a ridiculous, tech-ideology-above-all-else take. Not to mention over a decade past being relevant.

Flash could do things other technology at the time could not. It served a purpose at the time, thus its huge level of popularity.

nakal,
nakal avatar

Many popular things are crappy. It is not an ideology, unless you consider the scientists who invented the WWW to be some freaks.

Flash wasn't really useful, because many people couldn't display these websites. It was the exact opposite of WWW. WWW enabled people to use hypertext and provided accessibility.

preciouspupp,

How would that be an antitrust issue?

TokyoMonsterTrucker,

Google forcing people to use its browser or pushing companies to develop exclusively for its browsers has broad antitrust implications, especially if they are using their ad clout to push wider adoption.

QHC,
QHC avatar

What does Google have to do with Adobe not supporting one specific browser not made by either company?

FoxBJK,

It’s far more likely that Adobe is just being lazy/cheap in not supporting a browser with a small market share.

TokyoMonsterTrucker,

Yeah, to be clear, I think Google should be the target of multiple antitrust actions. This is just a symptom.

ultratiem,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

I loath Adobe but this is the correct answer.

belated_frog_pants,

It’s because firefox wont support the drm protocol that chromium/webkit will be pushing

Marsupial,
@Marsupial@quokk.au avatar

No it’s not?

Many websites are only ever tested to work on Chrome because companies don’t care about catering to the smaller userbases of the other browsers.

FlowVoid,

Adobe is requiring customers to choose one of three different competing browsers, none of which are owned by Adobe.

There’s no antitrust issue here.

Rakn,

And still it’s basically all Google.

FlowVoid,

Only if you believe Apple is basically Google.

Rakn,

Ah it will be at done point

FlowVoid,

That’s what they used to say about Microsoft.

iloverocks,

You could use a user agent switcher to pretend that you are running chrome, edge or anything else

min_fapper,

Not if Google’s web DRM thing goes through

iloverocks,

Yes I know that

ninbreaker,

I feel like Adobe is one of the pioneers for DRM lol, They've always kept all their things under some kind of paywall.

chemicalwonka,
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

HP: I am a joke to you?

renard_roux, (edited )

HP - Not Even Once™

Their new logo is smashing, though.

blackluster117,
@blackluster117@possumpat.io avatar
d3Xt3r,

Sauce?

typo,

It’s from “ace attorney” but I don’t know if that’s an original quote

nowayhosay,
DarkDarkHouse,
@DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Yes. Yes, you are.

Im28xwa,

What in the actual fuck is this, thank you for bringing this up I will never use an Adobe product ever

RagingNerdoholic,

What happens if you spoof the user agent?

milkytoast,
milkytoast avatar

the only thing I'll accept using one of those browsers for is installing a new OS on my phone, as ff just does not support that. aside from that, idc

burtek,

Why do you need a browser on a PC to install new OS on your phone?

milkytoast,
milkytoast avatar

I mean u don't, it's just a hell of a lot easier

JBloodthorn,
JBloodthorn avatar

What's extra stupid about these, is most of the time just using a user agent switcher to make the site think you're on chrome or opera makes it work just fine.

peter,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

I would be surprised if eveything works correctly. Generally they don’t just decide that something isn’t supported for no reason

JBloodthorn,
JBloodthorn avatar

Sometimes it's as simple as something like "firefox doesn't support import maps", but now they do (in 108+) but nobody has the time or inclination to go back and validate that the site now works in firefox.

infamousbelgian,

I do understand it. These are browsers that they decided during development that are not supported. Not supported means not tested by a full QA team for months. And users are generally stupid, soba simple warning (use at your own risk) is something that does not work.

So they decide to just not support the other browsers.

To be clear, I am definitely not a fan of Adobe of this mechanism, just explaining.

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  • boonhet,

    You can say browser X may cause issues on the website, but people will still complain that browser X doesn’t work properly and demand you to fix whatever issue they’re having.

    _MusicJunkie,

    People don’t read warnings. They will still swamp your support department with tickets despite being told their setup is unsupported.

    Riyria,

    Adobe reactivated my subscription without my permission and now won’t refund me. They have records of my subscription being cancelled in May but can’t explain why I was suddenly billed again in August.

    Boinketh,

    That’s fraud.

    skribe,
    @skribe@aussie.zone avatar

    Chargeback time.

    Riyria,

    I’m going to try Adobe customer service one more time, but this may be the route I go. I always try to avoid chargebacks because it can lead to stuff just getting sent to collections which is more harmful than eating the payment.

    DeanFogg,

    Hello Bank? Yes I’d like to issue a stop payment

    Wojtek,

    What are people using to edit/sign PDFs. Adobe is a nightmare and I’d rather use anything else

    renard_roux,

    On all my Macs, Preview is set as the default app for handling PDFs, and I use it for signing, adding text, rearranging and deleting pages; works flawlessly. Fuck Acrobat Reader / Pro.

    If I need to do something more complicated, I’ll open it in Illustrator.

    perviouslyiner,

    Apparently Word is a good PDF editor. Or Inkscape for single page documents.

    argv_minus_one,

    Inkscape now supports multi-page documents! The PDF importer was also recently overhauled.

    Inkscape at this point is the “hold my beer” of PDF editors, able to edit absolutely anything on the page.

    Only problem is Inkscape can’t import or embed PDF fonts. It can convert text to paths during import, but that’s it.

    WestwardWind,

    I have used Foxit/Phantom both personally and professionally for years now with no complaints

    livus,
    livus avatar

    Thanks, might switch. I'm tired of Adobe running ten tons of crap in the background.

    djsaskdja,

    LibreOffice Draw

    kilgore_trout,
    fristislurper,
    @fristislurper@feddit.nl avatar

    No (or very limited) editing in Okular…

    kilgore_trout,
    blindsight, (edited )

    Foxit Reader has decent PDF editing built in. I use it all the time. I think they call the pen mode “comments”, but you can also load your signature as an image file.

    The only time I use (pirated) Adobe Acrobat is when I need to edit existing content in PDFs, like fixing layout or editing text.

    radix,
    @radix@lemm.ee avatar

    Foxit can also OCR it and allow editing I believe.

    Farias,

    Preview on macOS can do it. While it obviously doesn’t help everyone I’m not sure some Mac users realize there’s a built in tool for it

    Wojtek,

    I’ve tried it in preview, it’s just not great. Or maybe I just haven’t mastered it yet… but it never intuitively does what I want it do

    lol3droflxp,
    lol3droflxp avatar

    I only ever used preview. I tried Adobe stuff a few times but it was so horribly cluttered. So far preview could do everything I needed.

    WarmSoda, (edited )

    I don’t get why PDFs are so hard to open. The format has been around for ever. Why does Adobe have such a grasp on it, and why isn’t it as common to open as a txt?

    There are free programs that’ll open it, but it’s few and far between. It’s a pain in the ass to find one.

    Edit.
    I looked it up. Adobe created PDF, but:

    Anyone may create applications that can read and write PDF files without having to pay royalties to Adobe Systems; Adobe holds patents to PDF, but licenses them for royalty-free use in developing software complying with its PDF specification.

    servelan,
    @servelan@newsie.social avatar

    @WarmSoda @Wojtek Foxit pdf reader's not bad.

    Deceptichum,
    Deceptichum avatar

    Does it still look like it comes from 2005?

    servelan,
    @servelan@newsie.social avatar

    @Deceptichum @galaxi @Wojtek @WarmSoda Go look at it and see.

    Radiant_sir_radiant,

    Happy PDF-XChange user here. Fair pricing for home users / small businesses, great feature set, stable, regular updates that actually improve the product.

    Actually had complaints of less-technical users at work when by some weird accident the Adobe product returned (sneakily bundled installer?) or when a Windows decided that PDFs are to be opened with Edge now, because the users wanted PDF-XChange back. Normally users either don’t notice or don’t care.

    CurlyWurlies4All,

    I’ve run into multiple websites like this in the last 6 months. It sucks.

    kbity,
    kbity avatar

    The NHS' virtual appointment service in the UK doesn't support Firefox either, only Chrome, Safari and Edge. The dark days of "please view this website in Internet Explorer 6" are creeping closer to the present again. I hate the modern internet.

    avidamoeba,
    @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

    Except the supported browsers aren’t a broken, dysfunctional mess on a technical level.

    kbity,
    kbity avatar

    Well, the ones based on Chromium aren't, anyway. I've heard some major criticisms of Safari in the last few years, for what that's worth.

    avidamoeba,
    @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

    True. Safari’s only there as a function of Apple’s market mobile prevalence.

    redcalcium,

    Websites supporting safari but not firefox really grinds my gears.If safari can run it, there’s no way Firefox can’t run it too.

    Powderhorn,
    @Powderhorn@beehaw.org avatar

    Last Adobe product I used was CS6. That’s what the company stuck with, presumably, to avoid shit like this.

    Annoyed_Crabby,

    CS6 is nice, i use it as a student. Then by the time i wanna buy it they went subscription only for new version.

    Luckily i’m not in the industry that require it.

    baronvonj,

    Adobe has been on the DRM bandwagon since forever.

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